No one is born evil

Jerrell 2022-04-20 09:01:07

After watching the discussion between joker and friends

Dream Bamboo:

I also watched joker yesterday

I cried after watching it

x:

really perverted

This movie is so depressing

I don't know if I didn't understand

Dream Bamboo:

The main actor is very good

I didn't even see that it was her actor.

x:

right

it's him

No wonder it's a bit familiar

This movie is a bit too dark, I think the values ​​are a bit scary

Wouldn't it be more chaotic if this movie was released in the US?

Dream Bamboo:

I feel so sad to see how a person is broken

He kills innocent people to show he's broken

x:

Yes

Dream Bamboo:

Killing from the very beginning was for self-defense, for revenge, and for no reason

i feel poor

x:

Yes

This is a very reasonable description of how a person becomes a pervert. It is also very good.

Dream Bamboo:

The point is that every time he gets hurt, no one wants to help him

What I want to reflect is the collapse of the whole society

x:

so pessimistic

Dream Bamboo:

If it really reaches that level, then riots are inevitable.

x:

The world is not so bad

Dream Bamboo:

just some extreme assumption

It's not about the real world.

x:

I can't see that dark anyway

Dream Bamboo:

Me too. . .

The neurotic dance reminds me of Liao Fan of Fireworks during the day

The decadent and desperate middle-aged man reminds me of my dad again

Then it crashes

x:

The way he walks reminds me of your dad

Dream Bamboo:

many places are similar

Sometimes I think he might become a clown without me

will also become a person who has nothing to lose

Social extremists are born this way

So I feel like I have a lot of responsibility.

x:

But I don't see hate in your dad

Dream Bamboo:

Some grandmothers were hit and killed and the driver ran away and only lost a small amount of money.

He hates that he almost joined the underworld

Later, I chose tobacco and alcohol

x:

All right

that's dangerous

Do you think kindness can really influence a person?

Is it really possible

Some people are still obsessed, right?

No matter what you say

Dream Bamboo:

Yes, so there is King Ming

x:

What is Ming Wang

Dream Bamboo:

Sometimes I need to be strict with people who are difficult to teach. I'm not good at it. I'm too soft-hearted.

x:

Is strictness useful?

Dream Bamboo:

Some people need a drink

x:

Do you think it would work better if you were strict with your dad?

Dream Bamboo:

Those who are truly enlightened are those who know how to use 84,000 methods to help all kinds of people.

x:

never seen such a person

Where can you see such a person

Dream Bamboo:

Luanke, Yang Ding, Gandhi, etc. I think they are all

Of course, there are very few truly wise people.

Ordinary people like us are just rolling around in the red dust

x:

Like Luanke, does he know how to deal with different people in different ways?

He just faces students every day.

There are so many different kinds of people in this society

Dream Bamboo:

wild child in the mountains

hard to teach

A lot of the really powerful ones are hermits

I think it's a bit like Zhuge Liang.

He's not interested

so you can't see

x:

I always thought that no matter how I surrender, I can surrender

Actually, I don't think so

Like you said, sometimes you need to move the Ming Wang kind

need to be severe

Dream Bamboo:

Surrender does not contradict this

not what you understand

means 100% acceptance

Then, of course, teach students in accordance with their aptitude

x:

But I don't think it's okay for y to be very strict with everything and lose his temper.

Maybe I'm only 80%

not 100%

Likely 90%

There is still hope in the heart that the other party can comprehend

Maybe this is where I'm wrong

Dream Bamboo:

It's laziness to have the same attitude towards everyone

x:

agree

Most people have the same attitude.

It's in character

Dream Bamboo:

y is simply unable to control his temper

Therefore, Buddhism emphasizes emptiness the most.

If we can get rid of our habits, the Buddha will be unemployed

x:

I am aware of my own problems and I am trying to change myself

Z was always late before, so I told him very sternly

I feel like I might not have been

what is emptiness

Dream Bamboo:

It's like seeing things as they are without the labels they used to have.

x:

That must be very difficult

unless you have no memory

Dream Bamboo:

It's a bit too blunt to say that, but I've always felt that you don't dare to be strict, just for fear of being hated, not really for the sake of the other party

x:

Labels are formed naturally, helping you deal with things more quickly

For example I see a knife and I immediately know how to use it

I see a person who likes lv, naturally there will be a little tag in my heart

Dream Bamboo:

Yes, but we need the ability to enter emptiness at any time

May or may not have tags

Can convert freely

I think this is a better state.

x:

You're right, I'm afraid of being hated, and I'm also a little afraid of hurting others, breaking my harmony

Dream Bamboo:

Or that we are always aware that we are wearing tinted glasses and labels

it would be nice to do that

x:

I'm a little aware of this

Speaking of the game, the clown is actually a monster full of resentment or hatred.

If he went back to the past and let him be treated well back then, maybe there would be no such perversion.

Dream Bamboo:

Yes

all we need is love

x:

This is the core of what my game wants to express. No matter how bad people are, no matter how monstrous people are, it is also because of some reasons, and also because they have not been treated well in the past.

Dream Bamboo:

Um

karma

nice theme

I think the commonality of all good works is compassion

x:

Talking to you is always rewarding

I feel my soul has been cleaned

Dream Bamboo:

In fact, Joker is a very good film, very compassionate, a bit extreme and facialized. I feel it is too heavy for personal reasons, but it is still a very deep exploration of human nature. For me, it reminds myself not to be the last straw that crushes others. Be aware of every word and deed, your every move may affect the life of others.

x:

Yes, but I still don't like it. .

where is the mercy

I didn't see it

It felt as though I had read an autobiography of Hitler, only writing about how he became a pervert and became admired by many people. The string music is accompanied by his dancing and a literary scene. Many people think it is handsome, but I think it is a bit artificial.

Dream Bamboo:

i feel sad

A director and an actor are willing to spend so much time and energy exploring how a person is broken a little bit

It is a great mercy

x:

But it's a movie

influence will be great

Dream Bamboo:

More often, our society is only judge, criticized, just criticized who has such compassion and patience to explore the cause and effect behind such characters. The masses just want to be lazy and vent.

x:

It makes sense

Dream Bamboo:

And I think the portrayal of the thugs is very real and thought-provoking.

The whole movie was a warning to me

I don't think the director is on the side of evil and thinks that's justice or worship

He just shows what is possible in extreme social circumstances

History is actually more cruel

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Extended Reading

Joker quotes

  • Arthur Fleck: [Arthur goes to Wayne Manor where he sees young Bruce and does a clown rooting form before talking to him through the gates] Hi. What's your name?

    Bruce Wayne: I'm Bruce.

    Arthur Fleck: Bruce. I'm Arthur.

    [He sticks his hands through the gate, puts his fingers on Bruce's face lifting the corners of his mouth as if to make him smile]

    Alfred Pennyworth: Bruce! Bruce! Get away from that man.

    Arthur Fleck: It's okay. I'm a good guy.

    Alfred Pennyworth: How do you do? Who are you?

    Arthur Fleck: I'm here to see Mr. Wayne.

    Alfred Pennyworth: Well, you shouldn't be speaking to his son

    [Giving back the fake flowers Arthur gave Bruce]

    Alfred Pennyworth: Why did you give him these flowers?

    Arthur Fleck: No, they're not real. It's magic. I was just trying to make Bruce smile.

    Alfred Pennyworth: Well, it's not funny, is it? Do I need to call the police?

    Arthur Fleck: No, please. My mother's name is Penny. Penny Fleck. She used to work here years ago. Can you please tell Mr. Wayne I need to see him?

    Alfred Pennyworth: You are her son?

    Arthur Fleck: Yeah. Did you know her? I know about the two of them. She told me everything.

    Alfred Pennyworth: There's nothing to know. There is no "them." Your mother was delusional. She was a sick woman.

    Arthur Fleck: Don't say that.

    Alfred Pennyworth: Just go. Before you make a fool of yourself.

    Arthur Fleck: Thomas Wayne is my father.

    Alfred Pennyworth: [Alfred starts laughing, causing Arthur in anger to put his hand through the gates around Alfred's neck and starts to choke him] Let go of me! Let go! Let go of me!

    [Arthur looks at Bruce watching with fear, he turns and runs off]

  • Detective Garrity: Mr. Fleck. Sorry to bother you. I'm Detective Garrity this is my partner, Detective Burke. We have a few questions for you, but you weren't home. So we spoke with your mother.

    Arthur Fleck: Oh. What did you say to her? Did you do this?

    Detective Garrity: What? No.

    Detective Burke: No, no, no. We just asked her some questions. She got hysterical. Hyperventilating, collapsed...

    Arthur Fleck: Yeah, but the doctor said she had a stroke.

    Detective Garrity: We're sorry to hear about that. But like I said, I still have some questions for you. They're about to subway killings that happened last week. You've heard about them right?

    Arthur Fleck: Yeah. It's horrible.

    Detective Garrity: Right.

    Detective Garrity: So we spoke with your boss, over at Ha-Ha's. He said you were fired for bringing a gun into the children's hospital. Is that true, Mr. Fleck?

    Arthur Fleck: It's a prop. It's part of my act. I'm a party clown.

    Detective Burke: All right, so why were you fired?

    Arthur Fleck: They said I wasn't funny enough. Can you imagine that? Now if you don't mind, I have to go take care of my mother.

    Detective Burke: Your boss also gave us one of your cards. This condition of yours, The laughing, is it real, or some sort of clown thing?

    Arthur Fleck: A clown thing?

    Detective Garrity: Yeah. I mean, part of your act?

    Arthur Fleck: What do you think?

    [Arthur turns and starts walking towards the hospital doors, but walks into the glass door]

    Detective Garrity: It's exit only.