11:24am-12:04am Venue : Ground Floor, Henglu Art Museum, No. 202, Nanshan Road, Hangzhou Lecture Hall (after viewing of Roman Polanski's "Bitter Moon" at Henglu Art Cinema) Participants: (Preface) Fan Daming, Jin Aiwu, Du Sumei, Ma Yile, Yang Yuehui, He Ji, Cai Ling, Cui Yu, Ma Huijie , Sun Fengfeng, Huang Fangyue, Zhang Xiaoping, Zhao Lingling (viewers: Ji Boqing, Zhang Zhenghui, Zhu Songfa, Zhu Jianyun, He Tianhua, Zhao Yining, Ye Zi, Fu Peiying, Ren Tongyu, Wang Wenren, Weng Xiliang, Wang Yuefang, Chen Hua, Wang Weiwei, Huang Gang, Yao Xiaofeng, Tian Ying, Zhang Yusu, Han Fengming, Pang Jian, Jiang Xizhen, etc.) Moderator: Fan Daming Record: Huang Fangyue's "Bitter Moon" is a story about two couples on a cruise ship, with a tragic ending
Van Damien: The work directed by Roman Polanski, we have screened Tess, which is based on the famous novel Tess of the D'Urbervilles by British writer Hardy. The film was introduced and released in the early 1980s, translated and translated by Shanghai, and Tess was dubbed by Liu Guangning. I went to Shanghai Yiying to interview Liu Guangning when she dubbed the film, and I wrote an article and published it in the magazine "Zhejiang Youth". After the release of Tess, I wrote a review of the film. I still think Tess is Polanski's best and most serious film. As his personal film month this month, I've selected four of his films from the 1990s-2000s. There are also some of his latest films, such as "Murder", such as "Venus in Furs", which is also played by the heroine of this film, but I think they are too narrow in terms of subject matter and atmosphere, so I didn't choose them. He is a controversial director, a director with scandals or bad press, both in his films and in real life. "Bitter Moon" tells the story of two couples on a cruise ship: one is primary, as if performing on stage; the other secondary, like watching offstage and listening to the pair on stage of. Later, the pair off stage also got involved in the story of the pair on stage. The final outcome was tragic. The four male and female protagonists of this film are very famous. The sea route of the cruise ship in the film is from somewhere in France to Istanbul, Turkey, and then tourists change flights to Mumbai, India.
For love, cherish it. Neither man nor man should be insatiable, nor too passionate.
Jin Aiwu: The director made this film with great courage. We see that between the hero and heroine Oscar and Mimi, from sexual abuse to emotional abuse, it can be said that everything can be done. Seeing these, I think, it is a revelation for us to cherish love. Neither man nor man should be insatiable, nor too passionate. The two protagonists, one is a so-called writer, and a book has not been published, and the other is a dancer, which shows that their cultural background is not enough, especially the woman. The male protagonist Oscar lives alone and freely in Paris. He is good at finding excitement and asks the woman to abuse him. On the luxury cruise, he told the husband of another British couple, Nigel, that he did not have that kind of experience of true love and that he wanted to spread his sexual experience to him. In fact, love between men and women exists for everyone, including same-sex relationships, the latter being specific to the extent to which each person may exist. For this, we should all cherish it. It cannot be said that there is no true love between people. What is needed is mutual understanding between the two parties on the premise of sincerity. The way of love should also have its proper way. If it is too much, it will cause problems and lead to tragedy.
The sentence "Children are the best way to maintain a marriage" may be hinting at
Du Sumei, the theme of the film: From the name "Bitter Moon", the connotation of the film can be roughly understood. The arrangement of the film's plot was unexpected, and some issues we started to see clearly at once. The story mainly takes place between the two couples in the film, and I noticed that there is also the Indian man with his children. He said a sentence: "Children are the best way to maintain a marriage." This sentence may be hinting at the theme of the film. The story and theme chosen by the director are quite unique.
A real marriage often takes the "moderate way", and the ordinary is often the real
horse's joy. When love reaches the extreme, it can't rise, and the two can't find any stimulation if they look for it, so it will definitely go downhill. The male protagonist can't take care of himself, and the female can't support it after pregnancy. In fact, their love is not aimed at building a family, but only seeking stimulation from their private life. A real marriage often takes the "middle way", and the ordinary is often the truth, not the superficial article.
A woman should learn to protect herself and let her understand others
Yang Yuehui: Men and women actually have different understandings of love. On the surface, both sides seek stimulation. Women always say that love will last forever. And men are always limited, always looking for new tricks. Mimi felt that having one man was enough, and that love was the most important thing. I remember a man who first suppressed himself and loved his wife wholeheartedly, but in the face of temptation, he finally couldn't do it. People cannot withstand temptation. Women are often blindfolded and only see a man. And men want every woman they meet to be different. In this regard, the idea of uniqueness is immoral because it suppresses the nature of freedom. But women often look for the Prince Charming and the first-time man. Women have such a complex, from the beginning to the end. A woman should learn to protect herself and let her understand others. You must understand that she has many opportunities, and she doesn't have to take revenge or sacrifice herself when something goes wrong, otherwise she will end up as a burial. A woman shouldn't adopt such a woman's way.
He Ji: A rich and powerful man wants all women to be his wives. High society is like that. The society treats sexual crimes differently from the upper class and the lower class. this is not fair.
If there is repression, there is civilization. Otherwise, you can do whatever you want, and there will be no civilization
. Cai Ling: The feelings expressed in the film are a bit far from my own feelings, especially the psychological distance from the girl Mimi. Their couple was an American-French couple. The couple played by Hugh Grant and Thomas is an English couple. In the national character, the British themselves are a repressive nation, and civilization is actually repressed. If there is repression, there will be civilization. Otherwise, you can do whatever you want, and there will be no civilization. Of course, Hugh Grant's Nigel also has impulses in his heart. As long as it is a society, everyone has sexual desires. It's just that some people have strong control and some people have weak control.
A great director always reflects the state of his personality through his films, reflecting the state of the director himself
Cui Yu: This is the work of a Polish director, but the film is based on a British and American background. I think a really great director will always make people scary through his films, and the film must reflect the state of his personality and the state of the director himself. The film also has a background like India. British and American people's views on human nature are different from Indians' perception of life. There are three backgrounds and one story. We can think about the film from this perspective. In addition, the film expresses the existence of human life, sexuality and issues of men and women. The British woman's position on sex has two aspects, the opposite sex and the same sex, and love is its commonality. Society should accommodate different kinds of love, not the simple love between men and women. Only in this way can life expand.
The spiritual love between men and women is actually necessary and very important
. Sun Fengfeng: There are some problems in the film: the heroine Mimi and the British woman have homosexuality, and they become lovers when they meet, from dancing to sleeping, which makes I find it rather sudden. Also, the male protagonist Oscar is always giving medicine to women, I don’t know what medicine it is; as a couple in love, it can be said that they have achieved 100% sex; and I think that spiritual love between men and women is actually necessary, Also important.
Ma Yile: Between men and women, not only sex, but also spiritual love must be mature, and both parties must have spiritual pursuits. Young people in sex are passionate, while the male protagonist in this film has more duality or multiples, and he has to taste the taste of the world; while the female protagonist is young and naive, in the long run, men will hate her. The male protagonist apparently also has a penchant for sexual abuse.
Mimi, a woman who "most men are fascinated by her, and most women are passed out by her"
Fan Daming: From this film, the heroine Mimi is indeed a very attractive woman. She herself does not deny this. When the British couple was talking, the woman once commented on her: "Most men will be fascinated by her, and most women will also be stunned by her." That is to say, she can attract the men and women around her to like She, she is very attractive to both men and women. The writer Oscar met her on the 96 bus, noticed that she had not purchased a ticket, and took the initiative to secretly slip his ticket to her, willing to accept the fine. This is the beginning of Oscar's contact with her, and it can be said that he fell in love with her at first sight. On the cruise ship, British tourist Nigel was also attracted to her. Nigel first met Mimi when he was assisting his wife to help Mimi who fainted in the women's bathroom. The next day in front of the bar of the cruise ship, his eyes were distracted by Mimi dancing to the music alone. He made further acquaintances with her; Nigel later listened to her husband telling him lengthy stories about her sexual relationship with him, and even fell for her "trap" into his dating room - because it was actually her Conspiring with her husband, even under such circumstances, Nigel made a direct confession of love to her when she was dancing with her. Nigel's British wife, Fiona, is also very friendly to Mimi. Fiona first offered to help Mimi, who had passed out of syncope, in the women's bathroom. Just hugging and dancing with her, and even going into the cabin bedroom for gay sex—that's a weirder thing. These, all should be the two comments. Here, the British couple in the film actually have this extra-marital love relationship with a "third party" Mimi at the same time. Perhaps there is an explanatory reason, that is, it is said that the British couple is currently in the "seventh" Year's Itch" emotional crisis. But anyway, I think Mimi's own inherent charm is the main thing after all. There is a point here that Mimi is not only young and beautiful, but also that she has something outstanding beyond the average young and beautiful woman, that is, she has her own strict physical training - she is also a dancer or dancer - her so-called so-called The dancer, not the traditional old-fashioned dancer, but the modern dancer, the dancer of the real dancer. She is a beauty + dancer or dancer woman. That is, she is not a static beauty, but a dynamic beauty. Dynamic beauty For static beauty, the growth of the beauty index is not the increase of arithmetic progression, but the growth of geometric progression.
The criticism of women in the Bible, including religious descriptions of women, affirms the duality of women
Cui Yu: Everyone in the film is attracted to Mimi, so what is there to attract in her? Young, beautiful, sexy, or her mystery? Perhaps in the heroine, the characteristics of human beings themselves are revealed. The judgment of women in the "Bible", including the description of women in religion, affirms the two sides of women, there is a mysterious side - in the whole world, men are the sons of women; women have a charming nature. I have a few more opinions: First, the analysis of the film director himself will help us to analyze the deeper connotation of the film. The second is that the hero and heroine of the film must have something intrinsically attracted to each other, and others are nothing more than projections of their own essence. The desire for sex by both men and women causes both parties to seek mutually attractive things from each other. The third is that the film designed a tourist route to India, perhaps there is a concept of "crossing" in it.
In the director's personality or temperament, there are certain elements of the film's hero Oscar's character
Van Damien: Director Polanski's experience is more complicated, and his pregnant ex-wife died tragically in a massacre. He himself has sexually assaulted underage girls and was wanted internationally by a US court. The subject matter and plot of this film are not original by the director. It is adapted from a novel, and the director participated in the adaptation of the script. I think the director's temperament and personality should be said to have a certain dependence on the appearance of such a film. For example, in the director's personality or temperament there are certain elements of the character of the film's hero, Oscar. Polanski is a Polish-French director, while Oscar is an American-French writer. And Emmanuel Seigner, who plays the heroine Mimi in this film, is the director's second wife - Polanski's pursuit of Seigner in life, and Oscar's pursuit of Mimi in the film Pursuits do have something in common. In fact, the beauty and ugliness of the characters still have a certain plasticity. In this film, when Oscar starts to get bored with Mimi, the film also makes Mimi look bad and looks stupid and silly. For example, the perm she made, the way she mopped the floor at home, and her demeanor and demeanor when she was cooking, were all completely different from her image as a dancer. This is also excusable, otherwise how could Oscar abandon her and arbitrarily recruit prostitutes outside during that time?
Organized on May 11-12, 2015
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