/ Organized by Fan Daming /
Time: November 17, 2012 (Saturday) 10:50-11:10am
Venue: Henglu Art Museum Lecture Hall, No. 202, Nanshan Road, Hangzhou
( Henglu Art Film Bar Almodovar's work "Bad Education" after viewing)
Participants: (Preface) Fan Daming, Jin Aiwu, Huo, Niu Yuzhu, Xu Shuhong, Cai Ling, Yu Yanshu, Chi Yunfei, Fan Dayin (viewing the film) Authors: Wang Xiling, Chen Xingsheng, He Ji, Shi Wen, Wang Shujin, Dai Hong, Ji Boqing, etc.)
Moderator: Fan Daming
Records: Cai Ling
's title points directly at the "bad education" in mission schools, and there is a lot of criticism
Fan Daming: In 2004, Almodovar's film "Bad Education" broke through the basic motif of the previous female theme and made new breakthroughs. Of course, behind the expression of "homosexuality" as the surface content, in fact, it is still internal. Expresses the theme of human "sex". The title of the film points directly at the dirty and unspeakable scene in the high-sounding church school. It is obviously a great criticism to judge such school education as "bad education". What Iglesias did in adulthood (transsexuality and drug use, etc.), one of the two male protagonists, was attributed to the film as a result of the kind of "bad education" he had received in his youth. The unfolding of the autobiographical movie script story that we wrote has exposed us back to the source, letting us know what kind of bad and immoral things the godfather (pastor) of that church school did in those days.
About homosexuality, same-sex relationships and "pedophilia"
Jin Aiwu: This film can be said to be a concentrated outbreak of the "homosexual" issue. It allows us to see more clearly what the so-called "homosexuality" is all about.
Fan Daming: It should be said that the real homosexuality, at least among some human beings, still has the needs of human nature. Since the church schools are all boys, it is natural that a kind of friendship or camaraderie occurs between boys of the same sex. But the male teacher's affection for boys, such as that of Manolo's godfather, is actually "pedophilia", which must be physically and mentally harmful to the children. In particular, this is only wishful thinking: the reason why the young Iglesio betrayed himself to the godfather was in exchange for his classmate Enrique not to be transferred; Godfather Luo) had that kind of relationship on the condition that the other party promised to provide millions of drug money owed to Juan's drug-addicted brother. Therefore, such a same-sex relationship is actually not really "homosexual".
The film is also an autobiographical work by director Almodovar. The structure of the film is a film within a film
: this film is a film within a film, and a film is shot within a film. The film is also an autobiographical work by director Almodovar, which should be a reflection of Almodovar's childhood experience. Almodovar himself is gay.
Fan Daming: I know from the data that Almodovar likes to play women and has a hobby of cross-dressing. From the perspective of film structure, the film, through director Enrique's reading of the script "Visit", and the actual shooting of "Visit" and other plots, not only unfolds the protagonist's childhood past, but also constitutes a layered structure relationship of "film within a film". There are also some such "film-in-film" relationships, such as the scene where the two teenagers watch a movie with a beautiful female star in the cinema together (triggering their adolescent sexual impulses), and Juan and Berenger happen" "Film-in-film" clips, etc. All the "film-in-film" passages in the film are processed into smaller screens, which facilitates the audience's identification of the two screens in time and space.
Human nature is above divinity, writing a unique cultural atmosphere, and does not shy away from the catharsis of personal feelings
Niu Yuzhu: Female themes, homosexual themes, nudity themes, and divine themes are all subjects that Almodovar likes to deal with in his films. The film actually also shows that human nature will eventually prevail over divinity, even though the priest's actions are presented as villains. The significance of the film is also that it writes about the unique cultural atmosphere of Spanish society, such as the "transvestite" that Mr. Fan said, all of which are the true reflection of that society. Nor does the film shy away from the cathartic depiction of the personal feelings of specific people in Spanish society. And the bad education in the school undoubtedly led to the bad social situation, which has been affected from generation to generation. The film's portrayal of the Godfather, a high-class figure who has abandoned evil and promoted good, has done such appalling things, which is very ironic.
Xu Shuhong: Those who belong to human nature are more selfish. The film reminds us: first, we must view the "comrade" relationship from a human perspective; second, love is actually synonymous with possession; third, we must realize that people are multi-faceted.
How should I explain that Juan agreed and participated in the killing of his own brother?
Cai Ling: How should I explain that Hu An agreed and participated in the killing of his own brother?
Yu Yanshu: Hu An loves himself more. After listening to his mother's call, let him decide all this. The director does not believe in God, and doing such a thing between two brothers is nothing more than an indication that everyone has their own desires.
Kim Aiwu: When things go beyond the bottom line - when it affects the whole family life, including the mother, etc., that kind of thing also happens between brothers.
"Visit" was a huge success after its release, and the playwright Iglecio should die without regrets
Van Damien: In the script and filming of "Visit", Iglesiao (Zahara) was extorting money from the godfather Manolo in the office of the church school, when the godfather Joseph who entered the door grabbed his hands from behind on the spot. Killed by the blade. This is different from the real situation - in fact, Iglesio, who insisted on writing the script "Visit" under drug addiction, did write himself as the person in the play to be killed; but in reality, he Thinking he "succeeded", he did not expect to die after his last injection of pure heroin. It's no wonder that Juan, who played this role, felt empathy for this scene and couldn't help crying, because he himself was one of the murderers who caused the death of the playwright's prototype in reality. It is impossible for the script of "Visit" to write the results that the author himself could not expect, but the murder of the protagonist in the play actually coincides with the fate of the real characters. This shows how powerful the "Visit" plays reflect real life. We also learned from the subtitles at the end of the film that "Visit" was indeed a huge success after its release. On this point alone, playwright Iglesiao should die without regret.
Almodovar's films have a love for food, which actually represents the psychological desire of the characters
: I think there is another point in Almodovar's films, which is the love for food. For example, in the film the protagonist talked about hot milk with honey, and his mother's phone call to Juan said that his brother brought him his favorite cheese and chorizo sausage. There are similar descriptions in his other films. Food represents life, it is colorful, otherwise it rots. The colorful colors actually represent the psychological desires of the characters.
Both brothers are gay, indicating that "bad education" involves more than just individual issues
Chi Yunfei: Is Juan gay? From the film, it is also true, it should be said that it is also because of desire.
Van Daming: The homosexuality between Enrique and Juan's brother only happened when they were teenage classmates; the relationship between Enrique and Juan was in adulthood, and they really did it. Both of them are like this, which shows that "bad education" involves more than just individual problems.
What involves human nature is eternal, when it comes to politics or ideology, there are limits
Niu Yuzhu: The film shows the transcendence of human nature over divinity from the side, but it does not deliberately express this, because homosexuality is not approved by Christianity. The subject matter of Almodóvar's films is quite broad, breaking through the boundaries of traditional customs and laws and going further. What concerns humanity is eternal, what concerns politics or ideology has limitations.
The two children's songs in the film are very natural, and the innocence of the boy reflects the godfather's evil
Cai Ling: The two boy songs "The Gardener" and "Moon River" in the film are very natural, and the innocence of the boy reflects the godfather. The wickedness of young people under poor education is distorted in their ignorant youth germination, and the life standard of the supremacy of interests has broken through various taboos under religious belief and traditional morality. The trend of the plot is more interesting than reality, and a more profound torture of human nature is transformed from the screen.
Organized on the night of November 22, 2012, supplemented on the 23rd
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