/ Organized by Fan Daming /
Time: June 9, 2012 (Saturday) 11:05-11:55 AM
Venue: Henglu Art Museum, No. 202, Nanshan Road, Hangzhou Lecture Hall
(Post-view of Woody Allen's "Crime and Wrong" at Henglu Art Film Bar)
Participants: (Preface) Fan Daming, Wang Xiling, Chen Yading, Qian Jieyu, Jin Aiwu, Ma Yile, Chen Xingsheng, Cai Ling, He Ji, Zhu Xilin, Yang Yuehui, Liu Haiqing, Zhou Songkai, Zhang Tian, Niu Yuzhu, Li Ning, Li Jia, Dong Weiyi (viewers: Lily, Zhang Aibai, Qiqi, Wang Wei, Qiu Huafen, Ji Boqing, etc.)
Moderator: Fan Daming
Record:
The two parallel stories of Liu Haiqing's film may be said to be a less strict "layer structure"
Fan Daming: "Crime and Wrong" is also translated as "Crime and Punishment", which are two parallel stories. The first is the so-called "sin" story, that is, the famous ophthalmologist Rawson asked his former benefactor (his underworld younger brother Jack) to kill his mistress who was difficult to deal with. The specific killer did it well. It's hard to find the real culprit; the second story is the so-called "wrong" story, which may refer to the fact that the protagonist Cliff (the documentary director played by Woody) turned to shoot a personal documentary for his brother-in-law Lester, in order to The money he made was used to finish the film he was making for a philosophy professor, but the professor committed suicide here, and the film he really wanted to make would never be completed: this shows that his specific choice was wrong - this Wrong or also including his views on philosophy professors. "Wrong" may also refer to his courtship: he falls in love with a young female assistant (Mia Farrow) while filming for his brother-in-law, but she abandons him and ends up befriending his brother-in-law, whom they both disliked. On: This shows that he loves the wrong person. However, the mystery of the film is that the two protagonists finally meet at a wedding party and exchange views on life, so the two staggered stories are strung together again. The film may be said to be a less strict "layer structure", because when the two were talking, the famous ophthalmologist told the documentary director about his hidden love murder case, but instead of telling the truth, he resolved it as A scripted story that can be made into a love-killing movie is provided to the other party. In this way, Doctor Rawson seems to have also resolved his inner unease, and his crime of murder was really covered up.
Although the doctor's sin was hidden, he was uneasy, and in the end there was truth.
Wang Xiling: The doctor's aunt said that if Hitler had won the battle, future generations would have a different understanding of "World War II". So history is also man-made, the winner is the king and the loser is the bandit. Although the doctor's sin was hidden, he was uneasy. Although he can live a stable life as time goes by, I think there is still truth in the end.
The whole film actually has a theme: that God's eyes are looking at us
Chen Yading: I feel that intellectuals' belief in God is not as solid as ordinary people. Last year, I saw an Iranian movie "A Farewell". The protagonist just couldn't lie, but intellectuals can. And I guess this doctor and the director of the film played by Woody Allen reflect two sides of one person? The latter is too serious and serious, does not understand the world, and is always stubborn in his own perspective. The film made for his brother-in-law feels negative to us, and the female assistant he likes finally chose the rich and powerful brother-in-law. . This film is also a "movie within a movie", the audience's vision is limited, and Cliff's own vision is also limited and not objective. The whole film actually has a theme: think that God's eyes are looking at us, and cut into ophthalmology research, blind eye patients, including the ophthalmologist who finally let his extramarital mistress be killed, and then watched her be killed. He once said that she could not see her heart from her eyes, but only a black hole... It can be said that although the doctor's eyes are bright and he is an ophthalmologist, he is not someone who feels life with his heart.
The film also reflects people's doubts about God after "World War II"
Qian Jieyu: Some people say that the film has a bad influence: sinners are not brought to justice, and it also reflects people's doubts about God after "World War II". Woody Allen's "Match Point" is also the result of a hospitable death of a criminal. He had studied philosophy before, a bit of existentialism, moral disintegration, no bottom line. People are free. People should find a code of conduct themselves and be responsible for it. When the doctor returned to the old house and recalled the conversation between the people at the dinner table, he asked who was talking about the criminal, and others replied that he said it himself, and he himself should be responsible for his own actions.
The ophthalmologist has made mistakes again and again. It started with burning the letter.
Jin Aiwu: The doctor started to feel uneasy after he killed his mistress, but it was washed away by time, and he even killed his true love in the so-called way of writing a love-killing movie story. The story is told.
Ma Yile: The eyes are the windows to the soul. This ophthalmologist should also be said to be an engineer of the soul. As far as extramarital affairs are concerned, it's normal in American society, but the mistress's demands on the doctor were too much, and she was too entangled, which made him afraid; once she really killed her, he felt remorse and anxiety, and he went to the murder scene in person. To confirm this, but also to destroy the evidence. The doctor should say that it is a contradictory multiple body, and he still values his family.
Wang Xiling: He just made mistakes again and again, starting with burning the letter at the beginning.
"Things arise from the heart": This is a social philosophical film
Chen Xingsheng: This is a social philosophical film, which includes love, marriage, property, status, reputation, etc. In the final analysis, "things come from the heart". The film can still see the director's intention, which is to let young people get on the right track in life.
Cai Ling: Although the doctor's crime has been covered up, the theme of the film is still an old saying: "People are doing it, God is watching."
One of the protagonists of the film is Woody Allen
. It is the director of the documentary, played by Woody Allen. From him, we can see that honest people will suffer.
Zhu Xilin: But he also has his strength.
Regardless of right or wrong, crime and punishment, "heaven" does not exist after all.
Yang Yuehui: Everyone talked about the human nature, morality, and law expressed in the film. I think people have three basic relationships: one is how I see myself, the second is how I see others, and the third is how others see me. Of these three relationships, how you see yourself is the most important. I think: no matter right or wrong, crime and punishment, "heaven" does not exist after all. "The benevolent see benevolence, and the wise see wisdom". For example, Princess Diana, she thought that what I love and what I love is the most important thing, and she doesn't care whether he is a prince or not. Religion is redemption. The Norwegian court has not sentenced the criminal who killed dozens of people to death. If it is cheaper to shoot him, he will be allowed to repent for a lifetime in prison. What is philosophical and universal is not necessarily true, nor is what most people think, because "truth is sometimes in the hands of a few." Extramarital affairs, which must have been considered wrong decades ago, are now understandable in different times.
There must be heaven: you are responsible for your own choices, and those who think so are still serious about life
Liu Haiqing: I totally disagree with the view that there is no "heaven". Although I have only recently believed in the Lord, I have always felt that there is a God. Doctors believe in God even after sin. "God will have mercy on us," he said on the phone with Jack, who performed the murder. This shows that he is still afraid of being punished. I remember that there is a famous saying in existentialism: "Others are hell"; they are responsible for their own choices, and people who think so are serious about life.
Qian Jieyu: When I said he was responsible, I was talking about the moral bottom line.
Zhou Songkai: At the dinner table at the doctor's house, someone said that the death of 6 million Jews was worthless. If God is not there, there will be no final judgment, people will do whatever they want, and everything will be allowed.
The protagonists of Woody Allen films generally make mistakes with impunity
Zhang Tian: When making a film for his brother-in-law, he said that "comedy is tragedy plus time". The protagonists of Woody Allen films generally make mistakes with impunity. They are optimistic, funny, and self-deprecating.
Qian Jieyu: The final scenes are often very warm.
The American elites who are interested in ruling the world have faith in pursuit.
Niu Yuzhu: Danny Lang, the author of "The Da Vinci Code", and another work called "Angels and Demons", in which there are a few lines that are very good: science and Religion is not an adversary, but a brother. It's just a different path, but it will eventually lead to the same destination. Most Americans are Puritans. A well-known Soviet Jew, Aland, wrote a book that was regarded as a sub-Bible. He believed that man is a unity of matter and spirit, and the highest is God. As an American elite who aspires to rule the world, it is a pursuit of faith. For example, Tom Cruise believed in a very strange religion, and once got into a fight with Brooke Shields. Arguing over an inexplicable religion. The Tao of Confucius and Mencius in China is a similar religion. One of the two slogans put forward by the World Conference of Religions held at one time was: Do not do to others what you do not want to do to yourself. Just don't force it on others if you don't like it. Speaking of the doctor who was not put on trial in the end, in fact, making a movie is just a lot of fun. Including Greenspan, it is also the same mentality: our elite is supreme, and everyone is just playing; if we play wrong, I will pay more attention next time.
Li Ning: I think Woody Allen's documentary director told his niece very interesting. He told her not to listen to what the teacher said, but to see what he looked like.
All sins committed by people will be punished
Li Jia: I think that all crimes committed by people will be punished. People will pay the price for their impulsiveness and irrationality. For example, Cliff, who was hired to shoot and edit the film, was fired for mocking the subject, the employer, in the film; the doctor's lover was killed for threatening the doctor. I have read Dostoevsky's novel "Crime and Punishment". The hero is oppressed and bullied and kills people in a fit of rage, but he is finally redeemed because of love and belief in God.
What the eyes see is not necessarily true, and
Dong Weiyi may not be able to really see it: After watching the film, I will talk about one thing, that is: what the eyes see may not be true, and it may not be able to see really. For example, the final love and loss of the documentary director shows that he is wrong about the female assistant he is pursuing.
Fan Daming: When the female assistant returned the love letter he wrote to her, she said, you gave it to the wrong person.
This film reflects diversity, and it does not object to what you believe or not to believe
in Qian Jieyu: in the house of the documentary director Cliff, she (the female assistant) said she liked caviar, but he didn't have it; if he had it Caviar, perhaps another result. And when his brother-in-law showed off how to catch the female assistant, he said that he regularly sent her white roses and caviar every day, and the result moved her. I feel that this film reflects diversity. It does not object to what you believe or not to believe. People just want to be free, but don't violate others.
Chen Xingsheng: The relationship between science and religion that Xiao Niu said is very good. And when we watch movies, don't force politics.
Watching this kind of good Western movies is like going to a church to listen to another kind of sermon, and it can also be regarded as opening a window
for horses to be happy: those of us who are a little over 60 years old were born after liberation and received a communist education, which is very simple. But in fact, many things in life are not the same as what we advertise, such as stock trading. Watching such a good Western movie now is like going to a church to listen to a different kind of sermon, which is like opening a window.
Fan Daming: I have kept this film for several years. It is D5. The image quality is not bad, but the subtitles are rough, and the translation is even more wrong. For example, the name of "Schubert" is translated into "Shi Qi" Bert" and so on—just "wrong", of course, not "sin". A lot of people came today, all gathered together to express their opinions, and we talked for almost an hour. Thank you all and see you next week.
Organized on June 13-14, 2012
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