to quote your own reply "The end of the world page
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/filmtv/1/288903.shtml
is very good. Since someone is willing to spend Timelist graphing discussion, then I'm happy to accept mistakes. I just sucked a random graph myself. If there is a more complete way to explain the loop without introducing different states, it will be better. And, I am happy to find out My argument is wrong, I really didn't look in the mirror! "
I saw a lot of people saying that it is not necessary to analyze the logic of the plot, maybe the director has no logic at all, and can only explain it with hallucinations. However, the director himself said After all, he was actually filmed in a way that three loops existed at the same time, but presented a combination of different events, and concealed many clues, making the plot ambiguous. (See the link I gave before) In this case, There is no reason not to sort out the director's logic. However, except for the loop on board, other elements can be grasped by the director at will, and there is a lot of room for multiple interpretations. In fact, I don't like this kind of intentional opening now. Well, let's have some traditional surprises."
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I just watched this film now, and I also heard that it is a classic... In fact, I think this film The film is not very interesting... After reading the comments, I found that many "logic experts" have come to comment, but most of them are not on the point. The "two-type theory" and "star and starboard theory" add up The words are generally correct, but because they did not follow the structure of the film, they became a mere generalization of characteristics. Since it is still so confusing, let me take a look at it. The following is a complete analysis. The
premise of the analysis: Everything we see is the same It is true. Taking this premise also means that since there are three Jesse in the same scene, it means that there are indeed three Jesse entities. In fact, the director himself confirmed this statement, not delusional. The three loops are carried out at the same time of.
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But the analysis should not start from that scene.
Since we can confirm that what you see is true, then we directly start from The movie's three boardings and departures are easy to analyze.
1. 21:38 The first time we saw the big boat, we divided this vote into two parts, Jesse (j1) + other people (p1), they saw the boat and saw A figure appears on the deck on the left side of the ship, that is, the "port side". The port here is based on the large hull, but of course it is also the port for the small boat. (The two are facing each other) This is the way to
board the ship, the plot develops, j1 Kill Victor (v1), a masked man (denoted as a) used "guns" to kill Greg, Downey, Sally in p1, denoted as g1, d1, s1, so far p1 was all destroyed. Later j1 killed a 2.
After j1 killed a, looked in the mirror, and saw the full crew again on the "starboard" deck. This time the full crew is j2+p2. Time 43:00.
j1 injured the victor in p2, which is expressed as, v2. j2 met j1 and v2, j1 could not bear to kill himself (j2), j2 escaped, v2 later died, leaving a pool of blood on the guardrail. In p2 The other three, g2, d2, and s2 were all killed by the new masked man in black (Jesse appearance) a', of which d2 and s2 died of the "knife", which is different from the "gun" of d1s1. Among them, s2 was killed by j1 Chase to the third floor of the ship, die in a pile of self, so far p2 is completely destroyed. And almost at the same time, a' is killed by another Jesse Momo (a''), this is the beginning of the analysis, Three Jesse appear at the same time. Among them, according to the dress, we judge that a'' is j2, if a' is also Jesse, it can only be an earlier Jesse, but now we can't determine how early it is. Let's not name it after j. After s3 dies, j1 sees j2 on the "port" deck, encounters a new round of ships, and realizes that it returns when everyone's dead (a little problem here, come back later), here is 1:07: 16.
3. The one who boarded the ship this time is j3+p3. So far, the three Jesse on the ship are known, namely j1+j2+j3. In this round, j1 thought he had found a way out, so he made up his mind to Kill everyone (including j2+j3), and if this is the case, the cycle will be terminated. j1 did not kill v3 (how to die), it tells v3 that everything will be fine. j1 kills g3, d3 with a "gun", s3, but let j3 escape, and finally j3 solves j1, j1 goes into the sea and floats back to the shore. Then it re-enters the loop, I don't want to discuss "why it can be recycled" here, I decided to go back to the loop itself on board.
4. So far, we found that the plot mode of j3 is the same as the plot mode of j1 in Yizhong. We can safely predict that after j3 gets j1, the plot of j2 will be repeated. We identify each plot as a loop, thus 123 points correspond to l1, l2, l3 respectively, and l1=l3. After l3, enter the l4 plot, and because l4 is triggered by j3 in l3, we speculate that its plot will be the same as l2, that is, l2= l4. A key point at this time is that in l3, j2 does not die, and j2+j3+j4 will appear in l4 at the same time. What will this j2 do? We immediately think of a' in l2, There will also be a role similar to a' in l4, and this role can only be played by j2. Correspondingly, we speculate that a' also corresponds to a j in the last two rounds of l2, that is, a'=j0. Then As for the a in l1, we can safely judge that it should be a=j-1. The
summary is as follows.
The movie starts from l1, and l1 starts when p1+j1 sees the port side of the big ship.
In l1, j-1 is shot and killed In p1 except for v1, j1 kills v1 and j-1, triggering l2, it is the starboard side. At this time, there are j0+j1+j2 on board.
In l2, j1 and j2 face each other, j0 kills all p2 members. (shoot g2, knife Kill d2, s2) j2 kills j0. Trigger l3, which is port. At this time, the ship is j1+j2+j3.
In l3, j1 shoots p3 except for v3, j3 kills v3 and kills j3, triggers l4, is starboard. At this time, there are j2+j3+j4 on the boat.
In l4, j3 and j4 meet each other, j2 kills all p4 members. (shooting g4, knife killing d4, s4) j4 kills j2, triggering l5, it is the port side. At this time, the ship is j3+ j4+j5. And
so on.
l5=l3=l1.l4=l2=l0.
So, strictly speaking, there are not two types of Jesse, but two types of loops, alternating, and there are three at the same time.
It can be said is l1l2l1l2...
As for how Jesse changed in l0 l2 l4, the film did not explain it, guess it was frightened (by j1 j3 j5 with a gun), hiding, witnessing two rounds, transformation. Since the director does not want to explain, there is no need to be too entangled.
But this is just the logic on the ship. As for the foundation of the whole plot, the reincarnation of life is an imaginary, but the director is deliberately open. I think this kind of openness is quite boring, but the director also said that he does not like everything that is just an illusion. , then it is best to understand it as the cycle of life, such as the punishment of Sisiphus, which has been in a loop. The film is enough to explain it. I don’t think there is any psychological motivation to support the imaginary that the cycle will not end well. And what is memory? It was also a topic that was deliberately blurred by the director. I probably understood it as the sleep on the boat. After all, it seems that I still have memories of my previous behavior. As for why I got on the boat, the children are dead. , Going into the cycle, maybe there is still a glimmer of hope. It is better to have the opportunity to see children again and change history. Of course, the director has always shown the heroine to be quite cowardly. It's not quite the same. Jesse is hesitant about both herself, for example, j1 didn't pull the trigger on j2, and she was hesitant about j3, which are the reasons for her "failure". And why j0 was killed by j2, I also doubt hesitant The process. This can be understood as Jesse's cowardice or stupidity. Anyway, this becomes an inevitable factor in the film, and it is also a key part that prevents her from "success".
But then again, if Jesse really succeeds in killing Everyone, what will happen? According to the meaning of the film, she should be able to stop the whole cycle.
That is to say, there should be only j1 left on the boat, and all the other p+j are dead. What should j1 do at this time? There is a problem with the triggering mechanism, whether all p in the same group of loops are all dead, or all j+p. Is It returns when they're dead or it returns when everyone's dead. If all p is dead, it is a cycle , then a new group of p4+j4 should go ashore. As long as j1 does not kill people, this group of people will not die, and it is possible to control the boat to go home. At this time, j1 can live, but there are two jesse. j1 can choose to commit suicide Or kill j4 to replace the identity.
If j+p is completely destroyed, the next round can be triggered, because each group of j will die two rounds later than p, so the death time of jn is when pn+2 dies. The trigger of ln in the film can be understood as ln. The pn-2 and jn-2 in -2 are all dead. It seems that if you want to trigger a new plot, j1 must commit suicide.
However, no matter which explanation, you can't solve the problem of the initial state, and the movie settings seem to be created in the initial state 3 jesse and a set of p, these 3 jesse can start to cycle if they are in different states. Of course, this power death should be there. There is no doubt.
The j that goes back, whether it is j1 or j4, should be an unknown Jesse, whose son is dead, when will he go back? It stands to reason that when he returns normally, he can only lead to the future. After returning, he will meet his dead self and his son, which is paradoxical. So it cannot be saved. One's own motivation can also be interpreted as the limitation of time travel, not necessarily the power of death. (Of course the two may be the same thing)
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