individual freedom? collectivism?

Mandy 2022-03-25 09:01:09

I don't intend to investigate what the real situation is, but from a personal point of view, as a film, the plot is rough, the logic is confusing, the plot seems to be constructed for the conclusion, the details are far from being in place, and it does not reach the ideal height.
After experiencing Hitler's totalitarianism, the Germans have always maintained vigilance against totalitarian rule. Vigilance is good, but I prefer to think that such a film is about the possibility of collectivism eventually turning to fascism under the transformation of ideology. Terrible.
In the following, I have no intention of entangled in the importance of the individual freedom that the film promotes intentionally or unintentionally and the collectivism it opposes, because these arguments are just illusory adjectives and attitude expressions, just dogmas above the facts, and there is no value for discussion without specific examples
. I just want to try to ask the following questions

in response to Douyou's admiration for freedom and denial of collective Can you make a righteous request to give me half of your wealth without doing anything? What is the limit of such freedom and equality?

Do discipline, unity, and unity have to be completely denied? Is it not that when they collide, there is bound to be a uniform collectivism and then ultimately a horrific totalitarian dictatorship?

Does the collective concept have to sacrifice individual creativity and respect for the values ​​of others in order to achieve aggressive teamwork and efficient action?

Is it necessary to choose one of the two extremes, moderate, loose individualism, and aggressive collectivism, prone to fanaticism?

Are grand and noble organizational ideals easy to make people fanatical and blind? In the face of fanatical blindness, where is the individual sanity? Do moral constraints and effective social mechanisms necessarily fail to function properly? Does the

collective sense of honor mean that we must create enemies, and we must adopt various methods to advertise our superiority in the face of dissidents? Does it mean that Must take up arms and smash the enemy bravely?

Does collectivism mean that individuals lose their thinking and become accustomed to absolute obedience, or does it mean that democracy loses its space for existence? If so, is such collectivism narrowly defined and overly stigmatized? Having

said that, I just want to remind you that when you completely deny a certain school of thinking, it is very likely that you are just standing there. On the diametrically opposed standpoint, in other words, on the standpoint of disgusting extremes, you have only changed the direction of extremes. Extreme thinking is not the most terrible thing, but the most terrible thing is irrational thinking.

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The Wave quotes

  • Rainer Wenger: Come on, there must be one autocracy you all heard about?

    Bomber: Third Reich...

    Kevin: No, not again...

    Rainer Wenger: I did not choose this either, but we have to get through this week. I will copy some papers...

    Bomber: No, not this shit again!

    Mona: It's an important subject!

    Bomber: The Nazis sucked, we get it!

    Kevin: Those fucking Nazis!

  • Mona: It's not about guilt! Germany has a special responsibility.

    Sinan: Well... I am a turk.