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R: I don't understand...Especially when the heroine is smiling happily one second, and depressed the next. I didn't understand the whole story, but "how to say" caught my attention more than "what to say".
C: It is enough to understand the plot. But it's beautiful, right? !
R: The empty mirror at the end is beautiful.
C: The exchange scene was very shocking! The male protagonist first appeared there, a group of people were noisy, and the stock market was trading. The filming there was so good, it was fierce and pressing. This movie is too arrogant here, and other places are also very good, but it will not be so arrogant and dazzling. But incomparable, no one can compare to him, only to see him dazzling, convinced. There are also male and female protagonists kissing across the glass, entanglement of their hands, and finally sticking their faces together.
R: I have noticed the scenes you mentioned. They belong to what I said about "how to say", but I don't know how they relate to "what to say". Maybe it doesn't matter what you say. I don't know if it's important, because I don't understand it either.
C: This is how I understand it, and I understand it backwards: the final protagonists are actually not those empty mirrors in the city, but still the male and female protagonists. The male and female protagonists are modern cities, they were swallowed up and disappeared, but now I can only think of so much and forget them all. His movies are so movies, we need to learn a lot of movie knowledge and background knowledge, otherwise it will be difficult to analyze.
I remember that Antonioni studied architecture. Going forward, you can look at Visconti. I think Visconti had an influence on Antonioni, and Rossellini's "Deutsches Zero". The last time I watched this film, I thought of the end The end of Eclipse. That's why Monica Vitti and Alain Delon are needed as male and female protagonists, because they are all beautiful, so beautiful that they don't need a soul.
R: Actually, I prefer the scenes of them walking and being in the park more than those that stand out, such as exchanges and kissing through the glass. Take him to a friend's house, and the friend pops the balloon. There are also girls who went to see the car he dropped in the river, probably because at that time, the picture was very bright and white, and that scene made me feel so warm and romantic. And the setting is very interesting, the heroine just wanted to watch the fun, and someone died absurdly.
C: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Looking for candy in the glass slag to eat, although it is not glass slag.
R: In fact, I just thought about it, the stock made a big profit - lost money, stolen a car - fell into the river and died, and the relationship ended without a problem. Even the seemingly eternal buildings and landscapes, like people, rise and fall, one day they will exist and one day they will disappear.
"...I didn't understand it at that time. Later, when I was in college, when I started to work as a screenwriter for movies, the two movies that impressed me the most at that time, the first movie was "Eclipse", which gave me a big The inspiration is that it has a point of view, it basically says that the movie is not necessarily about the inside of the play. We generally just look at two actors, the protagonist, what are their stories, but it makes a point that this movie is actually you watch But, in fact, this background can also be what he cares most about. Because it seems that the movie "Eclipse" is about two people, everyone will be attracted to watch it at that time, because the man is Alain Delon, so beautiful and handsome, And there is Monica, the story is basically a man and a woman at the end, that is, they broke up from the beginning to the end, but it's the last two minutes of the whole movie. It's empty shots, where they go, but it was very bold at that time. , let's all understand why we didn't talk about the two of them in the end, they didn't cry or hug each other, so how could they go to take a space? The explanation is that you actually want to see it, because it used to be in Europe or the This whole building, these streets, these corridors, are all for people to interact with, so they have been in this kind of place for almost a hundred years. If you turn this place into a person, they basically build this There are many stories... Its sadness is not in these two people, because these two people are each of them. There is such a possibility, maybe they will change tomorrow, and do so as a witness, a person watching, the protagonist is this street corner Or streetlights, it's going to look like this for years and that kind of thing comes and goes. So you immediately feel like it's got a whole perspective on your movie, a big inspiration. - Wong Kar Wai"
C: Maybe it should depend on the heroine's mental state when she falls into the river.
R: A good movie is really unforgettable. When I first watched it, I was at a loss. Although my understanding may be a bit biased, it is not what I thought before, so I don't understand it. After watching one movie, reading some movie reviews, and other people's understanding, you should be more familiar with Qi'an's movies later. And the focus is actually on "how to say", not "what to say", such as watching the plot and watching the story. Because it is obvious that, for example, in the opening scene, the heroine walks around the room depressedly, just to see how she breaks through the atmosphere (look out the window from time to time) and moves in the room.
C: I don't think it's not to break through that atmosphere, she actually has the initiative from beginning to end... At least when facing the man at the beginning.
R: Because that man is too inactive.
C: No, I will tell you after reading it.
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C: I've finished reading it.
I think... 90% of it is understood... It can be regarded as the progress of watching movies over the years. There are 20 or 30 details that can be said, but I haven't written them down, and said some from memory.
Stock losses and big gains are to show that the heroine is different from everyone else. It was the first time that the heroine went to the exchange to find her mother and wanted to say something, but her mother's thoughts were all on the stock, and she couldn't communicate in the end. Later, she lost, and her mother became nervous. Isn't it normal for the heroine to say that it is normal to lose and gain? As for the death of the stolen car, it is also related to the protagonist. The male protagonist said to buy another one, but he was reluctant to buy this one because it was still a new car. The hostess said you thought of this? The implication is that you didn't see a dead person. This movie is not about the disappearance of feelings, but the inability to communicate with each other.
The male protagonist is a gun king. At first, he took the female protagonist to another house instead of his own apartment, because that is where the usual gun appointments are made. Three details can be explained: one is the ex-girlfriend/friend whom I met the night before, and I can't say it's a friend, but the male protagonist is obviously more interested in sex than love. The heroine's ex-boyfriend is also, or it can be understood as a male thinking; the second is that the heroine has just entered the house and walked to the window. There is a middle-aged woman across the window. As soon as she sees the heroine, she walks from the opposite window. Opened; the third one was chocolate. I used a trick. It was already eaten by the woman in front of me, and I didn't know how to replenish it. (Besides, who wouldn't want to be a gun king like Alain Delon?)
Regarding the final empty mirror, there are three points: First, we need to connect with the whole film. These scenes continue the style of the whole film, and they all make everyday scenes very strange and charming, such as the abnormal proportion of people and the environment, and the effects caused by light and shadow. , the effect of the orchestral score. For example, the heroine walks through a piece (pictured below), which is actually a condensed metaphor of the whole film. This piece of waste like an urban cement forest has no life. The heroine walks in it like a giant walking in the city, which is out of time.
Second, many scenes can correspond to the previous scenes, such as the carriage driving, the camera follows the carriage, and then we see the male protagonist, but in the empty mirror at the end, there is only daily life, and our protagonist does not appear again. So this repetitive shot is a reminder of the illusory nature of this love, when nothing happened.
Third, it is my previous view that the city swallows the male and female protagonists. However, it is a bit different from Wong Kar Wai's opinion. My point of view is that it is not so much why these buildings are photographed, but why not the hero and heroine, and where have they gone? The city creates male and female protagonists, and the story of the male and female protagonists is just any story in this world. Their love does not die, but never happens, so the city does not represent eternity, but indifference. The most critical communication between the male and female protagonists is across the floor/curtain/glass, and their hearts do not touch each other. The heroine is the only one among these people who is eager to touch, but everyone else is too complicated, indifferent, and greedy, so when she and the hero are in love, they really reach the key point, such as going to bed, the expression of the heroine will always be Exuding doubts, fears and emptiness, or imitating the boyfriends and girlfriends in advertisements, imitating the love presented to us in modern society.
Regarding whether the male protagonist is a gun king, or pays too much attention to sex (for male protagonists, sex, stocks, and marriage are the same thing, they are all rules, order, and happiness within). He tried to kiss the heroine twice, but the heroine avoided it. The heroine's expression was suspicious and alienated, so the first kiss was only possible through a glass.
Regarding order, the heroine has always been an opinionated person. She likes nature, simplicity, and simplicity, so she doesn't like restraint. At the beginning of the film, she reaches out and fiddles with something in an empty frame with no pictures, but she gets tired of it quickly, and that's the boredom of the world (which can even be directly described as masculine). So her boredom with both relationships is her boredom with the world. Why is it called a masculine world? Look at the picture below:
At the beginning of the movie, the heroine is at her ex-boyfriend's house. The curtains were opened, and there was a building that looked like a male phallus. Then the ex-boyfriend came over and put his face on the head of the female lead. The female lead immediately turned around and showed her actions not to do this, and the male lead said:
The heroine has already said that the relationship between us is over, and the ex-boyfriend still wants to break up or use sex to keep it. At this time, the image of the ex-boyfriend is overlapping with this phallus-like building. The world inside the room and the world outside are actually with a high degree of consistency. So after the heroine walked out of the room, Antonioni also photographed the comparison between the heroine walking on the road and the building. At the same time, this building can also be understood as a mushroom cloud, which is the cloud after the explosion of the nuclear bomb. In the empty shot at the end of the film, a man gets off a bus and reads a newspaper headlined by countries stepping up their nuclear arms race. At that time, the world was threatened by nuclear weapons, and people lived in the shadow of the Third World War. There are many more, but I don’t remember them very much, because I’m reluctant to interrupt and take notes when I read them. In short, Antonioni is depicting the living conditions of modern people. This is the most contemporary film that concerns us the most.
Antonioni tells us that modern man is a new species, how they were created, how they live, how to make friends, how to fall in love, how to communicate with their mothers... These are different from ancient people, we are new Humanity. The result is that people's feelings are alienated, people are separated from each other, and they can't really communicate. We live in a new world. So the film ends with a focus on the relationship between people and their environment that shapes what our world is like. And, it's so beautiful, so breathtaking. This kind of high-level beauty has almost disappeared in the movies now, I haven't seen it anyway.
How to say, the favorite is really different, no wonder it will be the favorite. I already love "Night and Night" very much, but none of the ten Night and Night can compare to Eclipse. I even thought that I thought Angelopoulos' films were particularly beautiful, such as Katsushika Hokusai or Van Gogh, but they were still a little worse than Antonioni.
It just occurred to me that if eclipse has a spiritual sequence, it would be Tuo, Chekhov, Kafka, and Camus.
Recently I was reading Greek tragedies, Antigone and Oedipus, in which people committed suicide, that is, "people are their own destiny", focusing on the conflict between people. Antonioni is completely different. This is the same as Chekhov. They both show the emptiness and confusion of people when facing life. Of course, the two have different styles and focuses, Chekhov is melancholy, Antonioni is alienated, but they are both talking about the conflict between the environment and people, and the alienation of their influence on people.
R: Is the environment here a modern society? Or what environment?
C: Each has its own specific reference, Chekhov refers to old Russia, Antonioni refers to the modern society (more precisely, it is the capitalist world under the Cold War pattern after World War II. Wait for a film of Takeshi Kitano, and another film in the evening). else.
C: I watched two movies today. How can I put it, they were both really good, but because I watched Eclipse last night, they were different. They were really different. One is a genius on earth, and the other is a god in heaven.
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