Tom Holland ("Sheri") and Daniel Kaluuya ("Jesus Is My Partner") online/video/video, Amazon Studios, "Actor-to-Actor" session hosted by Variety .
In "Sherry," Tom Holland's character goes from a war veteran to a bank robber due to post-traumatic stress disorder and drug addiction. The role is Tom Holland's deliberate attempt to break through as the superhero Spider-Man Peter Parker. The creators of "Sherry" are also from the Marvel team. The director is the brothers who directed "Avengers: Endgame" Russell (Anthony Russell and Joe Russell), and they invited Tom Holland to star in the Apple film. TV Plus produced / independent / independent / film, the film is developed in the form of episodes.
Daniel Kaluuya's role in "Jesus Is My Companion" also has something to do with Marvel. While filming "Black Panther" (in which Daniel Kaluuya plays the Wakanda warrior W'Kabi), director Ryan Coogler approached him and asked him to take part in his film, which is "Jesus Is My Partner" ( Coming soon in theaters and HBO Max), a film about Fred Hampton, the leader of the Black Panther movement during the civil rights movement. Two days before Christmas, with London under Level 1, Tom Holland and Daniel Kaluuya tell each other about their past adventures shooting superheroes, and the difficulties they've had in their recent departure.
Daniel Kaluuya (hereafter referred to as "Daniel"): Brother, how have you been lately?
Tom Holland ("Tom"): I'm fine, man. I am with my family. It feels weird to do nothing during the day. By around 4 p.m., I thought, "I think I might as well have a drink."
Kaluuya: How have you lived your life during the pandemic?
Holland: I'm lucky because I love golf, which is the most boring sport for people who don't play golf. But for me, golf is my favorite thing. I love it because I can turn off my phone and temporarily disconnect from anything else, so I play golf basically every day. How about you?
Daniel: When I first started, I watched a movie a day. There are so many movies that people recommend, but I've never seen it, I think I like to spend my time doing it, and I let myself do it. By the way, I love your movie, I think it's crazy, I can see that you have a lot of work to do as the main character. After all, you are Spider-Man now, and of course you have a lot of other important characters, but you are Spider-Man now. You've worked with the Russo brothers before, how did you work with them again?
Tom: I was doing ADR for Avengers: Endgame, and at the end of the meeting, the Russo brothers pulled me aside and said, "We want to make a new movie about a man suffering from post-traumatic stress. Are you interested in the story of a child with arousal disorder who got addicted to drugs and ended up robbing a bank?" I was really excited when they offered me the job. When I read the script for the first/first/time, I thought, "I can't make this movie, I'm going to break down, I won't last long in a role like this." I did a lot of prep work, including setting the characters rhythm and figure out how I get from a to b in each part. The hardest part was trying to merge the pieces, because the characters' situations are constantly changing throughout the film.
Daniel: The real difficulty for you is that you have to break the image of the past to show the audience. I'm talking about the scene where you're in the car with the drug syringe, how did you shoot it?
Tom: We finished the /drugs/drugs/ part of the movie, and then we almost got to the part where he fell in love, where the Russo brothers wrote this scene of the movie, which is the scene you're talking about. We had to relive his life when he was on drugs. I remember sitting in the car and Joe and Anthony walked into the window and they said, "Don't hold back." Nothing was too much in this situation. "Then I went crazy, really. I don't know what else to describe it. I smashed my leg with that needle that broke every time. It wasn't a real needle—it would retract—but I Always worried that one time it wouldn't come back and I'd just stab myself in the leg. My nose hit the steering wheel badly and my nose was bleeding a lot, but you don't see it in the movie , this scene upsets me. So for you, how did you get the role of Jesus is my partner?
Daniel: The funny thing is, when I was doing the Black Panther remake, director Ryan Coogler pulled me aside and said, "We're doing a Fred Hampton movie, we I want you to play Fred Hampton." Then they gave me a two-page recap, and it was one of the /best/best/ recaps I've ever seen, because it's so clear, it knows what does it want to express. Then I had a conversation with director Shaka King in New York, when I was promoting Get Out, and we didn't start shooting until about two years later, and it was a long time between idea and approval.
Tom: I think, I'm going to watch his speeches and see what he looks like in real life. I can't believe how much your voice sounds like his.
Daniel: Oh, wow. Thank you so much. It's just a process of us figuring out the character, and my voice sounds exactly like his, which is kind of weird. Can't equate Fred/Chair/Chair/ with me because we are different people. Watch his /videos/videos/, watch his stuff, see how he touched me, and think — well, how can I touch others the way he touched me? /copy/copy/ This energy and spirit, I worked with the director, and we spent four days together, studying his speech.
Tom: What I'm trying to say is, have you ever noticed - especially in the context of /politics/, race we're in right now - that telling a story about a real-life character must be heavy, and Many people may not be able to bear such a heavy burden. How can you objectively show real people and educate the people at the same time, and how do you deal with this pressure?
Daniel: Balancing those two things is really necessary, it's a lot of pressure for me, and the only moment I/only/release it is when I realize the character is stronger than me. I'm just a container, he's released through me, it's my respect for the character. Then I was able to let go and just be in it. It makes sense when you see him as a character, an icon, a leader/leader/leader of the Chicago community. But, at one point, you have to see him as a character to portray him in the story you tell. It's kind of cool: what does he want here? Are your demands on him sincere? It helps me understand the characters through the scenes every day, every day. (In "Sheri") How did you shoot the bank robbery scene?
Tom: I was about to ask you, because you did the bank robbing scene in Outnumbered, right? It was weird because it was such a small gang, it really felt like I was robbing a bank. When the alarm went off and I held/gun/pointed this poor lady in the face, I couldn't get away from thinking what I was doing was wrong. There was a scene where I was arrested, I had never been arrested before. , was really thinking, "Oh my God, I'm going to call my lawyer and I'm going to figure out a way to get out of this." One thing I didn't do well: I was always yelling. They quickly realized that they had to start with all the talk, and by the end of /a/day/ I couldn't keep yelling or else I wouldn't be able to shout out by the end of the shoot.
Daniel: I had this experience with Jesus Is My Partner. I asked them not to shoot more than two speeches in the same week because I might actually be speaking to a group of people for 12 hours. One/one/day/, I stood on the steps with the Rainbow League, the Young Patriots, and the Young Congressmen, and my voice was like -- I can't, I can't do it.
Tom: It's crazy, man. It's crazy that two lads from London are doing these things in Hollywood.
Daniel: You're "Spiderman," but I still want to ask, how does that feel? Tell me, has your life really changed?
Tom: yes, there are three stages of life change, it's weird, the audition process sucks to be honest, after seven months of audition, I've definitely tried six times, but they didn't say anything, you've been waiting , and eventually, I flew to Atlanta, where I was with six other kids, and Robert Downey Jr. was there, and we all auditioned with Downey, which was crazy. It all went well, it was the best /best/ audition I've ever been in, he and I imitated each other. My agent told me that Marvel wants you to memorize your lines accurately, you can't improvise. Then, another audition, this time Downey completely changed the scene, and we started to play against each other, I mean, it actually sounded a bit /ass/ass/, and I called my mom afterwards and said, "I think I got through Got the audition." Then six weeks passed and I didn't get any news, so I guess I didn't get the role, there's a lot of this /vote/vote/ online, and I'm definitely not the most /popular/popular/ the person who got the role. Then they called us back and we had to fight Chris Evans. They took us back to Atlanta, me and another guy, we shot this scene, and it was so surreal. At that time, if I hadn't gotten that role, I would have felt like I had at least gotten something to achieve that, and it was already a great experience. I went out golfing with my dad and I lost and I was so upset I remember I turned on my phone and checked Instagram and Marvel posted a picture of "Spiderman", that's a comic. By this time I thought I didn't get it because no one called me.
Daniel: What did you find in the media?
Tom: Yes. I took out my computer and my dog sat next to me. I typed "Marvel," and I still had that report on my computer that said, "We want to introduce our new Spider-Man, Tom Holland." I broke my computer because I threw it away in the air. It fell off my/bed/ and my dog went mad. I ran downstairs. I told my family, "I got that role I got that role!" Obviously, that's when Sony got hacked, so my younger brother Harry, a fairly tech-savvy guy, said, "No . This can't be true. They'll call you. They've been hacked." Then the studio called me and told me the news. The way this all happened is so bizarre. I shot Captain America: Civil War, and I shot it for a week. I had a hunch that they were going to fire me in the gap between filming Captain America: Civil War and Spider-Man: Homecoming, and I don't know why. Captain America: Civil War hasn't come out yet, I just haven't heard from anyone, I really can't explain it, it sucks, but they didn't fire me. It's crazy man, I love every minute of being Spider-Man.
Daniel: You're a great Spider-Man, an amazing, amazing Spider-Man, and then Avengers: Endgame was a phenomenal movie. So what was it like to make the film Sheri?
Tom: The film I made after Avengers: Endgame was Sheri, but it was directed by the same person, which is really weird, and now we're shooting Spider-Man 3. It felt weird going back to Atlanta at the time, because it felt like I was back when I first auditioned for Spider-Man. Every time I walk into the office, I'm like, "Oh, God, I don't know my lines. I'm going to ruin my audition." And then I remind myself that I've got the job. How about you? My problem with "Black Panther" is that when you made this film, you made it aware that you were making the biggest/biggest/,/most/literal/cultural/connotation/connotation of all time. One of the blockbusters, or wait until it hits theaters to realize it?
Daniel: I think it's something we're aware of. There was/one/day/, we shot the waterfall scene, and obviously during the shoot, everyone stayed on set, there were hundreds of people on set. We also had real drummers during filming who would accompany Snoop Dogg's "Drop It Like It's Hot"
Tom: No way.
Daniel: And then everyone would say, "Snoop!" Like, hundreds of people actually do that, and when I saw this, I was like — yes, it's not going to be quiet, there's only one kind of energy. Everyone is privileged to be a part of this moment. It felt like an instant. We're able to show the world in a way that we see ourselves, and it's a Marvel movie. You bring something into the world that doesn't exist, and it's really hard because there's no blueprint, there's no template. There will be some pain in doing so. But when people receive it and people dress it up as their own, kids and family to go to the cinema, it makes it all worth it. You're in a very high-profile position in your career where you can be a movie star, and yet you choose to do Sheri, you do this /indie/indie/film, it's a Personal story, is your desire to do both commercial and /indie/indie/film?
Tom: I think I'll do both. I want to make a horror movie, but I'm too timid. Get Out is the /only/only/a horror movie I've ever seen, I love it, but I can't tell you how many nights I've lost sleep because of it.
Daniel: I have babysitters and they used to show me Elm Street, and I used to watch this as a kid and it gave me nightmares. So I wouldn't go out of my way to see a horror movie, but Jordan Peele made it great.
Tom: We made a joke at home because obviously, being British, we drink a lot of tea. You will stir the tea leaves. "Why are you doing this? Do you want to /hypnotize/hypnotize/me? What's going on?"
Daniel: Dude, it's interesting to go to London for a cup of tea after Escape the Dead.
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