/ Fan Daming Finishing /
Time: 2013 Nian 11 Yue 02 day (Xing Qiliu) 11.05-11 am: 35
Location: Hangzhou Nanshan Road, No. 202 Heng House Museum underlying auditorium
(Lu Heng Art film bar Fu Kuai’s work "Training Day" after viewing)
Participants: (Preface) Fan Daming, Jin Aiwu, Niu Yuzhu, Ma Yile, Cai Ling, Yang Yuehui, Wang Xiling, Chen Xingsheng, Zhang Zhenghui, Sun Fengfeng, He Ji, Wu Shi, Huang Fangyue, Jiang Xizhen (viewers: Wang Wenren, Ren Tongan, Ren Tongyu, Pang Jian, Fang Yonggen, Ji Boqing, Chen Renqiu, etc.)
Moderator: Fan Daming
Records: Huang Fangyue
American classic feature films: Worth watching and appreciating, more worthy of discussion and research
Fan Daming: Because of the National Day holiday, there are only three Saturdays in October, and there are exactly five Saturdays in November, so one of the October films is scheduled to be screened today. As of today, the previous stage of the topic "American Classic Feature Films" is over. However, after the "American Classical Musical Films" scheduled in November, the latter stage of the "American Classical Feature Films" will be arranged again in December. The directors of these films, we have never done their movie month, everyone is relatively unfamiliar, but the films themselves are excellent and classic, not only worth watching and admiring, but also worth discussing. Now, let’s listen to your speeches.
The black policeman Alorzo said he was an anti-drug, but
he was actually a gangster. He used the robber to control the robber. Jin Aiwu: The black policeman Alorzo had a lot of power. But Jack, his new colleague, is a man with a sense of justice. The director is bold in making such a film. Of course, Alorzo sometimes has his "reason", and sometimes he is obviously using power for personal gain.
There are not many black celebrities, and most Hollywood celebrities are white
Niu Yuzhu: Denzel Washington, who plays the black police Alorzo in this film, is the second person after the black film star Poitier played "The Tramp" and became the first black actor at the Oscars. There are not many black celebrities, and most Hollywood celebrities are white.
Fan Daming: "The Tramp", also known as "Wild Lily", was a 1963 film and won the Oscar for Best Actor in 1964. Denzel Washington, as the second actor, broke Poitier, the only black actor monopoly, almost 40 years later, that is, after entering the new century. He also appeared in two black actor.
The theme of the film is justice over evil, and Alorzo is ultimately self-explanatory
: As a policeman, Aloro certainly has his own "reason". He understands some unspoken rules in the industry. In fact, he does more things than Robbers are also robbers. He can do whatever he wants. He has tasted all drugs. He is a hateful person who is hated by others. In the end, he is self-inflicted. The new policeman Jack is a rookie. He firmly believes in the victory of justice over evil, sticks to his principles of life, and does not take drugs or kill people indiscriminately. Ask him to do evil, he will not do it. Naturally, he obviously didn't understand those unspoken rules.
Cai Ling: The film is reminiscent of some movies about justice over evil.
It is terrible for people with public power to do evil; there are
ways to thieves, and the way of robbers is the "underworld" Yang Yuehui: If you are not afraid of robbers, you are afraid that robbers have power. Human nature has weaknesses, and one is afraid of being possessed. People with public power cannot do evil. People either get rich or become officials. Officials must abide by the Tao, not the magic and the Tao. There can be demons, and someone will enter the underworld-or the underworld or the white way, but it can't be a policeman or a robber. Of course, the blue sky above people is difficult, and it is difficult to keep the bottom line. If I'm afraid, I'm afraid that there are magic ways and public power. Everyone has a conscience, but also has a selfish mind. It is terrible for those with public power to do evil. I want justice in my heart, but in reality there may be no justice at all. Of course, even if it is a robber, it has its own "dao" within it.
Fan Daming: This is the so-called "theft also has the right way", and the robber's way is also the "underworld." In the film, the gangster confirmed from the phone that Jack had indeed rescued his sister, and released him without committing a murder to him. This is an example. Perhaps this is also a bit of idealism that the film, as a work of art, also requires from a moral point of view.
Jack can't get together with Alorzo. Essentially, he's Jin Aiwu who is wary of
Alorzo: Judging from the movie, Jack can't get together with Alorzo. Of course, it would not be easy for him to be dragged into the water by Alorzo.
Van Daming: Jack eventually had to take drugs under the pressure of Alorzo. But in essence, he was always wary of Alorzo; Alorzo later found it difficult to tame him, and even threw him to a group of gangsters to deal with.
Wang Xiling: I heard everyone say that Alorzo seduced Jack into taking drugs so that he had a handle and had to act according to his own will. I think that if you want to catch drug dealers, if you don't take any drugs yourself, you will lose the basis of knowing drugs. As a drug detective, you need to have experience in drug abuse to know the dangers of drugs. Of course, Jack will finally get rid of the drug. I began to think he would have that kind of pain, but the film did not show this aspect.
Van Daming: This can be understood as: Although Jack was forced to be exposed to drugs, he has not yet reached the level of real addiction.
The phrase "being good at the beginning of a person" has no practical meaning.
Chen Xingsheng: This film provides a true reflection of the situation in American society and police handling, and allows us to see what a powerful policeman can do. The film has practical significance, and the director's artistic skills are also very strong, including the processing of some small details. As far as the shocking power it gives to the audience is concerned, Chinese films may not yet reach such a level that they can capture the audience. The policeman Alorzo is "attacking drugs with drugs", even more than drug dealers. He is really too old in this field, and he has completely broken through the so-called "bottom line". I am now thinking about the saying "At the beginning of human beings, nature is good". In fact, goodness is only our ideal-human nature, which is inherently unkind, and the reality of society proves that it is not so (good). Human nature is constantly changing, and there is no conclusion. The so-called "natural nature" has no practical meaning.
Fan Daming: "The beginning of man" is actually a blank piece of paper, it doesn't matter good or evil-of course, you can also say that a blank piece of paper is at least not evil.
Zhang Zhenghui: If it's just kindness, people can't control themselves. People have a bottom line for doing things, and goodness lies within the bottom line. If you are deceived by others, you are still good, it will be difficult for you to move.
The film does not determine whether the protagonist Alorzo’s humanity is good or bad. It integrates humanity into the bottom society.
Sun Fengfeng: From the film, it shows that in the underworld trade, the Russians are also relatively tough. Police anti-drugs are mainly undercover. The old policeman wants to damage you. Of course, he will destroy you first, all for himself; but the new policeman must adhere to his own principles. Therefore, the old policeman will not choose such a good policeman in the end.
Fan Daming: This is how the new police and the old police are in conflict and opposition. This is exactly the main line of contradiction in the film. However, from the overall point of view of the film, the director's portrayal of the character of Alorzo is three-dimensional and full; it does not start from the concept, nor is it killed by a stick, and there are even lovely aspects in some aspects.
Niu Yuzhu: Regardless of whether human nature is good or evil, human nature at the real level always appears embarrassing. The film does not determine whether the protagonist Alorzo's humanity is good or bad. It is to integrate humanity into the bottom society and let you know how to do it. He had his reason to kill his friends, and it had its inevitability on him. Said that he is like Wang Lijun, in fact, he is more like Wenqiang. Wang Chubaidao, Wenqiang is black and white, and the gangs are afraid of him. Wen Qiang's informants are all his godsons, brothers, etc., which is normal for him. The film finally passed the police report and gave the dead Alorzo a positive conclusion. The ending is open. Whether he is good or bad, you can't prove it, but if he is dead, it will be concluded. If Wen Qiang were not in China, he might have become a good person like Alorzo.
Police and underworld situations in real life
He Ji: A policeman I know, when he was a police officer , liked to beat thieves with a baton. He said, "Don't fight, how do you know that he is a thief?" I also heard a high-speed traffic police say that when dealing with accident corpses, the old train the new ones and let the new traffic police pick up the corpses. Whenever something happens, there is a set of ways to do it. This may also be necessary.
Sun Fengfeng: The situation of the police is better now.
Niu Yuzhu: Usually: when a policeman encounters a triad and cannot catch it, they call the informant; if a triad resists arrest, the police will kill him.
Master Wu: In terms of theory and reality, these conditions are the same all over the world. But such a movie will be shot in the United States, but not in China. We can only look at these situations from American films now. I feel that power is more terrible than powerless.
The film is deeply realistic; in American movies, the image of the government is always the villain after it enters the film.
Niu Yuzhu: But in American movies, the image of the government is always the villain after it enters the film.
Jin Aiwu: There are not so many evils in life, and art works cannot express such evils. Writers cannot rely on imagination.
Master Wu: In life, there are both evil and good. Life has its own complexity. We must have a concrete analysis of evil and justice.
Huang Fangyue: This film allows us to see the real situation of the bottom of American society, which is very instructive. The style of the film is relatively fast.
Fan Daming: The film is deeply realistic, and at the same time it has a high degree of typicality and generalization. The truth of Alorzo's final death was concealed. This was deliberately done by the US police. As an "official statement," it certainly wanted to fight for the official face. The film ends with a style of political humor and social satire, which deepens the critical nature of film realism and reflects the sincerity and hard work of film artists to intervene in society and politics with their own works, which is admirable. I think Chinese film creators should learn a lot of useful things from such films.
Finished on December 17, 2013
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