Moderator, I know a little about her
Hello everyone, welcome everyone to the 9th day of the 22nd Faroe Island Film Festival's main competition round table, the first game, I am the host, I know a little about her, and the first film we discussed was directed by Godard "As You Like It", all guests are invited to give a score based on their own magazines, talk about the reasons for this score, and briefly talk about their thoughts on this movie!
guest donnie
"Anything You Want" 3 stars. Such a female character is more exemplary than "Mama Luo", citing a passage from Douyou cuckoo, "Unlike her friend Yvette and most of the prostitutes represented by Yvette, she thinks that she is a prostitute. With a child who is waiting to be fed, forced by a tragic life, Nana feels that it is her own choice to become a prostitute, and it has nothing to do with others. She is free, she has the right to choose, and she is also responsible for all her actions." Top (movie).
On-site guest A7M2 leader
3 stars, the whole is short and powerful, and the narrative style is fragmented and fragmented. Nana's life is detailed. Several interior dramas are very interesting. This time, I got to Godard.
The guests of the field magazine camellias drifting
2 points, Godard, a gossip journalist, kept asking prostitutes why they were prostitutes, because they didn't want to make movies, but they didn't have a choice in life! (It seems that I am superficial.) In short, the knot is a very gossip tabloid.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Susan Sontag commented on Godard's "As You Like It" in "Against Interpretation": "The values of piety and martyrdom are transplanted to a completely secular level, and Godard offers us Montaigne, not Pascal. , something of a Bressonian spiritual inclination and depth, but without the Catholic overtones."
At the beginning of the film, Godard grafted Montaigne's ideas of freedom and responsibility into the film to "rent himself to others and keep himself to himself." In short, the heroine Nana gave her body But left her own soul, do you think Nana is free? If you think she is free, what is her freedom in? If you think she is not free, what is she bound by?
The guests of the field magazine camellias drifting
I'm really indifferent to "The Holy Maiden" stuff, so how much I see her restrained and forced, not much of her intentional (unintentional) devotion, I'm interested in how Godard photographed women , photographing Anna Karina.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
Not completely free, she was bound by the profession of prostitute. I think after she chose this career, there were other things that she couldn't do.
Moderator, I know a little about her
But the movie doesn't seem to say that she was forced to become a prostitute because of life. Combined with the description of the ending, I prefer that she chose this profession by herself. Nana is actually different from other prostitutes who are forced to sell for their husbands or children. Those prostitutes have no freedom and no soul visible to the naked eye, but in Nana's eyes you will glimpse a moment of freedom from time to time.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
This is true, but I still feel that she is not so free, maybe just spiritually.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Spiritual freedom is actually a very important clue in this film.
The guests of the field magazine camellias drifting
Existential prostitutes.
Assistant Host Poems for Edlin
I think that Susan Sontag's understanding of "the value of piety and martyrdom has been transplanted to a completely secular level" will inevitably lead Sontag to feel that the pimple is not thorough enough, and he has to leave a hand for his relationship with Anna. . But if the value of piety and martyrdom can be called "transplanted", then what the knot wants to say is that even moderate nominalism will deconstruct the so-called value, so the second question, freedom must be a false proposition, so Sontag In the end, I felt that the pimple was not handled properly at the end.
But the lump is still a left-wing Calvinist after all. Even now, he is a very tough leftist. Of course, he pays attention to the destruction or salvation of the soul and the body together.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
Looking at the profession of prostitutes from the most superficial point of view: I think the profession of prostitutes is convenient for Godard's view of love. Because Nana, a prostitute, is separate from sex and love, she dreams of falling into her ideal love while doing her job. But Godard's opinion is contrary, so when Nana talks about the separation of spiritual desires, she is shot and killed.
guest donnie
I think she is not free to seek freedom. The episode of borrowing money shows that she has few choices, but she still makes active choices and bears the consequences according to the existential point of view. I think this film is exactly the It shows the limitations of existentialism, that is, Satnaism.
Assistant Host Poems for Edlin
In "Do As You Want", the soul and the body are considered to be one body. To see the soul with the body, the freedom of the body is the freedom of the soul, and vice versa.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
The core of existentialism is transcendence, can Nana transcend the shackles of her flesh (the pursuit of primary desire). Being a prostitute then is a double affirmation of it (affirming a man's desire for sex and Nana's perception of sex as a worthy service). Without going beyond, staying put resulted in the shooting.
guest donnie
I also don't think it can be surpassed.
Moderator, I know a little about her
I have a question, does being a prostitute represent the freedom of the body?
Assistant Host Poems for Edlin
Being able to control your own body is, of course, freedom.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
The freedom of the body is absolutely not the freedom of the soul. Domination of the body in this sense limits your soul.
Assistant Host Poems for Edlin
Actually (the oneness of spirit and flesh) is not an inference, because people are necessarily free.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
I think the highest realm of human beings is the unity of soul and body, the so-called unity of knowledge and action. But not everyone is free.
guest donnie
At this end, people are dead and their bodies and souls have nowhere to go. After all, skilled women are still a high-risk industry. I feel that this unity of freedom cannot be divided. It does not mean that when one is free, the other is also free, and the spirit and flesh are not separated. Just imagine how she feels when she is serving her people and others don't treat her like a person. It was because of the forced separation that I cried while watching The Passion of Joan of Arc.
Assistant Host Poems for Edlin
If there is a so-called manifestation of the soul, it must be based on the living being as a whole.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
If one party's freedom does not mean the other party's freedom, doesn't it just mean that the two have different forms of freedom? The ultimate reason why Joan of Arc was burned was that some people felt that she was not a virgin, and that the "Saint" had to face God as a virgin. This notion of chastity in traditional female consciousness is also one of the reasons why Nana cried.
guest donnie
That's right, that feeling of freedom is freedom, and that's what the poem to Edlin should have said.
Moderator, I know a little about her
We mentioned above that Nana is free, because she is constantly abandoning her old identity to explore her new world, she liberates her heart by becoming a prostitute, and she is when she changes her new identity again. When the soul appears,
The soul she keeps for herself is the freedom to live as she pleases. Because it is her choice and her freedom to be a prostitute or not. She is dignified and has paid the price of her life for her dignity. What do you think of this absurd and helpless ending, can it be seen as the only way for Nana to break free from the bondage of the world and truly go to a free soul?
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
Does being free from worldly shackles mean she was shot? I think if you believe what heaven and hell say, she did get rid of the bondage of the world when she died, but where the soul goes... the devil knows.
guest donnie
Is being shot deprived of liberty?
Moderator, I know a little about her
Bound by a brothel, she was bound before she finally died, because she couldn't escape.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
She has never been bound by a brothel, and finally wanted to run away with a man because of her betrayal of her profession and the change of her beliefs: she no longer thinks that sex is separated, and she wants to love a certain man and leave her sexual place.
Moderator, I know a little about her
This is actually the sublimation of the soul, she has become more free, but this society deprives her of the freedom of the body, because this society does not allow prostitutes to be good. (Isn't it rude?)
guest donnie
She just said that (the soul and the flesh) are one, she must also feel the unfreedom of the soul.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Isn't the freedom of the body deprived of being killed? Can this be understood? So is death free or unfree?
Assistant Host Poems for Edlin
How does the feeling of unfreedom come about? Before the feeling is produced, there may be imagination. This imagination comes from the concept that prostitutes should not have freedom. Prostitutes should not have freedom and it is a kind of "consensus" in society.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
I think freedom and unfreedom must be divided into body and soul. In terms of free form, body and soul should be separate. Death is liberation, it's not necessarily freedom, because I think unless it's the way I decide to die, few deaths mean I want to die, at least being shot is definitely not Nana saying I want to die, that's here In one form, her form of death is unfree, but is death itself free or unfree for Nana? I think no matter from the West or the East, people don't seem to think that the body and soul can be free at the same time after death, because the West has this so-called soul consciousness, and the East also has this kind of ghost after death, and then feel wronged This kind of "A Chinese Ghost Story"-style logic.
Moderator, I know a little about her
In the background of a traditional prostitute image, her holy humanity and hard-working motherhood must be preserved, but this film breaks this setting, and Nana's image as a prostitute is more concerned with the freedom of individuals. Can this be considered? Godard ditched the inherently male gaze when creating his character? Talk about your thoughts on the character.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
This question is actually related to the behind the scenes of the filming, Godard married Anna Karina after the filming of "Exhausted". But before the filming of "As You Want", Anna was pregnant with a child and then had a miscarriage, so I think "As You Like It" did not specifically mention motherhood, or maybe it was because Godard was afraid of Anna being stimulated.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Yes, I have seen this inside story before, but by accident, this character formed in the end is very interesting.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
It's still a bit of a male stare, I think he made Nana so beautiful, such as the scene with the client in the room. So what is the definition of this male gaze?
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
No gender prefix is added first. Most of the shots you watch in the movie are Nana's profile and side, which is itself an observation perspective. prejudice) to film Nana's.
Moderator, I know a little about her
But Godard did not photograph Nana naked.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
What does it mean to not photograph female nudes?
Moderator, I know a little about her
It means that it is a normal shooting method, there is nothing to put a beak on, laugh to death.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
So what is the definition of this male gaze?
Special guest no one at midnight
The director was a man, and then he stared, maybe he just glanced and didn't stare hard. Rather, the male contempt ("Male Women" + "Contempt") wraps around the pimple.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
I think the male gaze defines me as looking at women from the perspective of the opposite sex.
guest donnie
I think this is also avoiding something that could have been eye-catching. I know the male gaze is only body parts.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
Especially close-ups? For example, shoot from the feet up. Godard should be fine.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Anyway, when I see a male director filming a large number of female nudes, it is definitely not wrong to say that it is a male stare. In fact, this word has been demonized, and the meaning in my question is more extreme.
guest donnie
It is cutting women into parts that can be substituted for any woman. It's visual, and narratively it's women being rescued by men and not participating in the narrative.
Special Guests We Min Hee
Male director shoots naked men at length, does it count as male gaze?
Moderator, I know a little about her
Gay benefits.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
Is there a female gaze?
Special Guests We Min Hee
The part of the heroine teasing her husband in "Piano Lesson" feels a bit like that.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Women are not dominant in the film industry, and even staring doesn't mean anything. I only know that Ke Junxiong added several sex scenes to molest Shu Qi. Going back to "Do As You Like It", do you think Nana's character is feminist? (I actually hate deconstructing characters with various doctrines)
On-site guest A7M2 leader
Shu Qi is so miserable. (feminist words) Then I just thought he made Nana beautiful, not even a prostitute.
Special guest no one at midnight
This character itself has no sexual connotations. It should be said that most of the French New Wave films are frigid and feel very dry to the touch.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Do you just want to be in love but don't want to have sex? The romance of the French New Wave has.
Special guest no one at midnight
I forgot whether I was watching Renai or who, when I photographed men and women naked and caressing each other, but they looked like two marbles, very cold.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
Making love is sex and desire, and those who are in love want to build social relationships.
Moderator, I know a little about her
Talking about Godard's creation, Susan Sontag believes that "Do As You Like It" is the best text in all Godard's films. Many thought-provoking lines in the film reflect the creator's good writing skills. The monologue embodied in Nana's elaboration of life and responsibilities is particularly wonderful. What do you think of Godard's work in this film?
He himself also mentioned that from "Exhausted" to "As You Want" are works he shot in an unconscious state. After "As You Want", he will gradually shoot more realistic and substantive films. Along these two lines The creative trajectory, talk about your understanding of the different text symbols in Godard's creative career.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
I haven't read much of Godard's works, some of the dialogues are quite interesting, and some of them are incomprehensible. Leave this question to others first.
guest donnie
I quite like how his texts are so cute.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
I just watched 8-9 books based on my interest, and I can't draw a conclusion from the stock comparison of his dozens of books. I think the impression Godard gave me is this kind of narration with consciousness. Although the later movies are easier to understand, I think if I watch these to understand, why don't I watch Truffaut?
guest donnie
It can only be said that at this time, he still believed in words very much, but he did not believe it later. I also don't really like Truffaut.
Moderator, I know a little about her
After talking about Godard's creative process, let's briefly talk about the shooting of this film. Susan Sontag believes that Godard did not directly show how Nana kept her soul, because Godard believed that the way to show the character's heart is not to dig into her heart. The shots of the whole film eschew all psychological characterizations, like a pseudo-documentary filming, which makes it difficult to comprehend. Do you think this way of shooting is the best way to present the film? Will the lack of psychological portrayal affect your viewing experience? Talk about your feelings.
guest donnie
I think this is the best way. This is related to the position of the camera, including what Qian Oak said in front of the camera has been shooting from the side, the camera's point of view is the point of view of outsiders observing her, not the subjective point of view. You can't see the part of her psychological portrayal, that's how you approach a person in your life and learn about her through behavior. Plenty of monologues and psychological characterizations are more suited to literature than cinema.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
Psychological characterization is more like being "processed", and sometimes it seems redundant. It is good that this film does not use this method.
Moderator, I know a little about her
So Godard used the most concise film syntax to create one of the most complex prostitutes.
guest donnie
And the amount of information given by the movie itself is already huge, from the set to the expressions to the actions, all of which are closely related to psychology.
Moderator, I know a little about her
At the same time, in the 12-scene scenes, we can see that the transition of the shots in the movie is very simple and flexible, without too many bells and whistles, and the biggest contribution of "As You Like It" is to continue the jump-cut editing method of "Exhausted" and Taken even further, these simple and flexible shooting techniques are precisely why the French New Wave has attracted worldwide attention. The French New Wave is romantic and rebellious. Please talk about your feelings about the New Wave based on your own movie viewing experience. Which do you prefer over the traditional classical narratives of Old Hollywood?
guest donnie
I prefer the New Wave, Godard's early brevity is more influenced by Bazin. Old Hollywood really has too little information and the stories are too guesswork. For New Wave, I think it opens up the imagination and possibilities of all creators.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
How old is old Hollywood? Is it the silent films of Chaplin and Keaton from the 1920s, the comedies of the 1930s, or the postwar no-brainers of the 1940s and 1950s? Or Hollywood writers in the 60s and 70s?
Moderator, I know a little about her
In 1967, "The Male and Female Thief" and "The Graduate" opened the new Hollywood era. Old Hollywood mainly refers to before 1967, because New Hollywood has obvious time boundaries.
On-site guest A7M2 leader
As long as I can understand it clearly, I would prefer the New Wave style of expression. I just say that I like it better in terms of form. The style of Old Dock is too cautious, and they are all the same.
Special guest no one at midnight
In this way, it seems that the new Hollywood movies in the late 1960s are interesting, such as the feeling of loss at the end of "The Graduate", which is not a Hollywood thing. Including John Huston's work from that period.
guest donnie
In fact, 55 years of "Rebel Without a Cause" is no longer Hollywood.
Moderator, I know a little about her
At that time, it was more of a star effect. James Dean's films all had strong personal characteristics. There were too many American stars in the 1950s, and it was interesting to shoot them. The big stars in the 1960s were either dead or not popular. Thief pulled boring until 1967 New Hollywood.
guest donnie
Hitchcock and Orson Welles were also in Hollywood during the same period in the 1950s.
Special Guest Thousand Oaks
Two eras when Hepburn led global fashion.
Moderator, I know a little about her
In this way, old Hollywood is not useless, but the decline of big stars has made Hollywood move towards a new era without hesitation. All this is inseparable from the influence of Italian neorealism and French new wave. Talking back to the French New Wave, Jean-Luc Godard is undoubtedly the most shining cross-era director. As the representative of the new wave of this Faroe Island Film Festival, "As You Like It", we have already caught a glimpse of this free, romantic , novel, independent, and turbulent era, all the beautiful adjectives are not half as glorious as the new wave images. I hope that when you step into the door of this new world, you will still maintain the most pure fantasy and the most meaningful mind, and you can do whatever you want in "As You Want" Wandering in it, I also look forward to this movie being able to gain something at the final awards ceremony.
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