Thinking hard about "12 Monkeys" and the grandfather's paradox...

Coralie 2022-03-21 09:01:03

Regarding the 12 monkeys and grandfather paradox, after various comments and painstaking thoughts, my understanding and speculation:

1. The mainstream history cannot be changed. "12 monkeys" does not refute the grandfather paradox. The human leader in 2035 is asking to go back and find the original virus to make an antidote and change the world after 2035. At the end of the movie, a female scientist (in 2035) sat next to the spreader (assistant) on a plane in 96 years, implying that thanks to the time travel behavior of JAMES, future generations found the pathogen and maybe the world after 2035 could be saved. ;

2. Serve the mainstream of history can not be changed, "12 monkeys" and even the interpretation of the grandfather paradox. James went back, because he mistakenly thought he had misled the mentally ill Jeffrey and directly caused the disaster. In the process, he mistakenly ordered the scientist to change the password. The new password protection method was changed to his assistant knowing that he did not know (to prevent his son). Let the assistant take advantage of the opportunity to smoothly take away the pathogen. In other words, JAMES indirectly contributed to the spread of the virus.

3. Some commentators believe that: taking the purpose of time travel as the reference point, the ending to be changed cannot often be changed. Even if the process of time travel is changed, it still contributes to the ending; and if you look at the event without taking that ending as the reference point, use the event instead. The process is the reference point, so time travel still changes something; therefore, this type of movie can run.
Think of it this way. Take this movie as an example. The male protagonist does time travel and forgets that he originally intended to collect information. On the contrary, he found that 12 monkeys were the main ones and wanted to change the history of virus transmission by organizing their operations. If the male protagonist succeeded in preventing the disaster Event, then there will be no such thing as his own time travel, which creates the grandfather paradox. In order to prevent the grandfather's paradox from happening, the universe spontaneously adopted the principle of self-consistency, that is, the male protagonist can prevent the 12 monkey army from spreading the virus but cause others to spread the virus, and has never changed the disaster history. And if the male protagonist makes time travel and the benchmark is to prevent Jeffry from becoming the dominant player in spreading the virus, rather than preventing disasters, then even if he succeeds in achieving his goal, he can still trigger an event. Logically speaking, "change" When the history of "Jeffry becoming a disaster leader" is changed, and time progresses to 2035, the male protagonist can still travel time. This logic does not violate the grandfather's paradox, and the principle of self-consistency of the universe will not be specially produced. To eliminate this "reference point."
The story of the film interpretation is to talk about the grandfather's paradox. Of course, you may also want to talk about some philosophical thoughts that "history cannot be changed" from a scientific point of view. Based on this, we set up an angle to extradite the story to the end and trigger thinking.

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12 Monkeys quotes

  • [first lines]

    Title Card: ...5 billion people will die from a deadly virus in 1997... /... The survivors will abandon the surface of he planet... /... Once again the animals will rule the world... / - Excerpts from interview with clinically diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, April 12, 1990 - Baltimore County Hospital.

  • Jeffrey Goines: All the doors are locked too. They're protecting the people on the outside from us from the people on the outside who are as crazy as us.