Fatal logic errors that cannot be avoided in the twelve angry men

Alexander 2022-03-20 09:01:09

The film is perfect in terms of shooting, plot, suspense and other things that the film needs. However, there is a fatal logical error in the case itself and the final result, and I am willing to discuss it with you here. Let us discuss it
layer by layer : the first layer: all the doubts raised by the jury in the discussion, of course, can be regarded as a "reasonable doubt" of the defendant's guilt, but at the same time, it is very important that all questions about hearing, hearing, Glasses, distance, movies, time to return home, and motives are all just "suspicions" of facts, nor are they negative proof of facts, that is to say, these doubts cannot prove the innocence of the defendant. If you agree with this level, look down.
The second layer: On the basis of the first layer, we can at least say whether the defendant killed or did not kill. It was not confirmed in the end, but it was stated that the defendant was acquitted because of "reasonable suspicion." . This layer agrees, and then look down.
The third layer: Therefore, we can at least make an assumption that the defendant did kill someone. Under this assumption, it can be considered that the questions raised by the jury are "reasonable doubts", but in reality, these doubts must have reasonable explanations and can
be responded to by further proof . This layer agrees, and then look down. (Note that it is assumed that the defendant killed someone.) The
fourth level: Then, if the defendant’s lawyer is very good, he thought of all the doubts raised by the jury during the discussion (the lawyer is mentioned many times in the film as being fucked), These doubts were raised during the court debate. Then, based on the hypothesis that the defendant did kill someone, the prosecutor would be able to easily provide clear and clear explanations and explanations for these doubts through counter-evidence, testing, and cross-examination. instruction.
Fifth layer: The key point is here. The final result is that, assuming that the defendant did kill someone, he hired an excellent lawyer to raise all the questions of the jury in the court debate in advance. The prosecutor will based on the facts, These doubts are explained, the jury will inevitably have no dispute in the end and will directly convict him. However, he hired a terrible lawyer. Without thinking about and raising these doubts in advance, the prosecutor did not have the opportunity to explain and explain these doubts. Finally, when the jury was arguing together, the prosecutor had no chance to raise these doubts. Through actual investigation, evidence collection, and experimentation, the jury directly declared not guilty based on "reasonable suspicion."
The sixth level: good lawyers will be found guilty; bad lawyers will be found not guilty. If there is no problem with logic, then there is a problem with the American judicial system.
Seventh level: In this case, the most feasible proposal is actually the first suggestion, which is to announce the doubt and set up another jury to investigate.
Movies are movies after all, and the biggest selling point is drama conflicts. It will not be a real American trial system. In a true jury system, the jury members will not work as criminal police and lawyers in the background. As long as the defendant’s lawyer does not raise questions, it should not be a question of the jury; reasonable suspicion is on the defendant. It was established on the basis that the lawyer raised questions and made clear his point of view, and the prosecutor was unable to make an adequate counterattack.

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Extended Reading
  • Jensen 2022-04-24 07:01:02

    The reason to doubt in the most seemed convinced situation is humanity.

  • Magnolia 2021-10-20 18:58:41

    Democracy, humanity, reason, principle. Reasonable doubt.

12 Angry Men quotes

  • Juror #3: [when Juror #11 questions whether the boy would return home to retrieve the knife] Look, you voted guilty. What side are ya on?

    Juror #11: I don't believe I have to be loyal to one side or the other. I'm simply asking questions.

  • Juror #8: I just want to talk.

    Juror #7: Well, what's there to talk about? Eleven men in here think he's guilty. No one had to think about it twice except you.

    Juror #10: I want to to ask you something: do you believe his story?

    Juror #8: I don't know whether I believe it or not - maybe I don't.

    Juror #7: So how come you vote not guilty?

    Juror #8: Well, there were eleven votes for guilty. It's not easy to raise my hand and send a boy off to die without talking about it first.

    Juror #7: Well now, who says it's easy?

    Juror #8: No one.

    Juror #7: What, just because I voted fast? I honestly think the guy's guilty. Couldn't change my mind if you talked for a hundred years.

    Juror #8: I'm not trying to change your mind. It's just that... we're talking about somebody's life here. We can't decide it in five minutes. Supposing we're wrong?

    Juror #7: Supposing we're wrong! Supposing this whole building should fall down on my head. You can suppose anything!

    Juror #8: That's right.