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Time: April 27, 2013 (Saturday) 10:35-10:58 AM
Venue: Henglu , No. 202, Nanshan Road, Hangzhou Lecture hall on the ground floor of the museum
(Henglu art film bar Sally Potter's work "Ginger and Rosa" after viewing)
Participants: (Preface) Fan Daming, He Ji, Jin Aiwu, Gao Yuejian, Ding Yunzhen, Huang Jiehui, Qian Jia Ruo, Chi Yunfei, Peng Wanyin, Liu Xinxin, Chen Xingsheng, Pang Jian (viewers: Jiang Xizhen, Luo Xinyao, Yu Han, Fang Yonggen, Yang Dekang, Xu Shuhong, Ji Boqing, etc.)
Host: Fan Daming
Record: Peng Wanyin’s
film has life and The anxious atmosphere of growing up, the rupture of the world is intertwined with the rupture of the family
Fan Daming: As of today, we have finished screening of the four new films of the "European and Beautiful Director Movie Month" scheduled in April. The film is based on the "Cold War" period from the end of the "World War II" in 1945 to the early 1960s (the final end of the "Cold War" should be classified as late as the 1980s). The opening scene is the tragic scene after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, which not only represents the end of World War II, but also the beginning of the threat to human existence by nuclear power. The two heroines of the film, Ginger and Rosa, were born on the same day in the same hospital in London in 1945 (1 year older than myself). The director Sally Porter was born in 1949, basically of the same generation. After the end of the "hot war", the historical state of the "Cold War" period led by the two superpowers of the United States and the Soviet Union (two social systems and two ideologies representing the two camps) was formed. The equal strength of the two sides in the nuclear arms race directly led to the outbreak of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 (I just came to Hangzhou to study at the High School Affiliated to the Academy of Fine Arts in Hangzhou). Memory, of course, our reaction here may not be too strong, but it did cause a strong reaction in the Western world. The political rallies of young students led by an art school student and social demonstrations and other activities shown in the film are proof. However, in the film, this kind of background is combined or mainly portrayed through the breakdown of the families of the two heroines. In other words, the history that should have turned into a peace process after the war led to the rupture of the world under the confrontation between the two camps, and this rupture of the world was intertwined with the specific family rupture and corresponded to each other. Silhouetted. The whole film is therefore in an anxious atmosphere of life and growth, which is mainly not in the economic and life aspects, but in the spiritual and emotional aspects. The film focuses on adolescent female roles, showing the various conflicts between them and their parents, family, school, and society, including the two female protagonists. The photography is very delicate and particular, reflecting the exquisiteness of the works of female directors. style. It should be said that this film is a typical youth film, growth film, and undoubtedly a film full of female consciousness. Ginger's actor, Elle Fanning, is from the United States and was a famous child star in Hollywood, adding to the movie.
He Ji: Watching the film reminds me of the recent murder of a graduate student at Fudan University in Shanghai. The two postgraduates were both rural and poor in quality. One of them poisoned people in the drinking fountain because of jealousy...
Fan Daming: Hey, what you are talking about does not seem to have anything to do with the situation of the film; you talk about how it is related to the story and theme of the film.
The overall plot development of the film and the changes in the relationship between the characters are reasonable
Van Daming: In terms of the specific plot and the relationship between the characters, the friendship between Ginger and Rosa, in addition to the same age, is also related to their neighbors and classmates, but in terms of personality, Rosa matures earlier than Ginger, and Ginger More naive, full of poetic sentiment and fantasy (this is close to her father Roland, who likes to write and write articles). According to Freud’s theory, Rosa’s father abandoned his wife and daughter a long time ago. Rosa’s missing father caused her Electra complex to eventually be transferred to Ginger’s father, and she has real sex. (Rosa is pregnant). Knowing this situation, for the daughter Ginger, who also loves her father (and also has the Electra complex), she absolutely surpasses her bottom line of life and is intolerable (the movie has a piece of music that suddenly rises with her. The scenes of rushing to the streets well set off her extremely fluctuating emotions), and she finally confessed to her family that Rosa “has” the secret. In order to lead to the possibility of the climax of the plot (at this time almost all the main characters in the film appeared one after another), the film made Ginger and his mother, father Roland and his wife have feuds. The latter also had common knowledge outside privately. A young girlfriend bought a cruise ship that went to sea. He eventually separated from his wife. Ginger took his classmate Rosa and left the family to live with his father, including three people going out to sea for fun, etc., for the latter plot The occurrence of this pave the way. From Rosa’s point of view, the inner reason for her coming together with Roland, her father’s generation, is that she is not willing to talk about saving the world threatened by nuclear weapons like Ginger, but is willing to actually save specific people. This specific person is Roland, the father of her good friend. This is a person she may have come into contact with in a specific and direct manner, and is suffering from the great mental harm brought to him by the original family. In the film, Ginger will go to her two godfathers to confide when they are depressed. One of them may be the ex-husband of Ginger's mother. According to the movie data, these two goddesses are still gay. This kind of family relationship in the film also reflects the influence of the sexual revolution and liberation wave in the Western world on traditional family life in the early 1960s. And Ginger’s father Roland’s liberalism on family and sex issues can be traced back to his life history: during World War II, he opposed enlisting in the army to kill and beat Hitler because of his liberalism and pacifism. And sat in a cell. In this regard, the overall plot development of the film and the changes in the relationship between the characters are reasonable.
Ginger’s final maturity, rationality, understanding and forgiveness of the other party are all moving
Jin Aiwu: Jin Gil has such a deep conflict with her family and girlfriend Rosa. In the end, she wrote a poem, and with one sentence, she forgave her, and the film also ends here. This is a kind of message for everyone, which explains Jin Gil The maturity at this time, her rationality, and her understanding and forgiveness of the other party are all touching.
With love, the world will be beautiful.
Only with this kind of experience can we grow up to adulthood. Gao Yuejian: Whether Ginger is experiencing the anti-nuclear movement or facing the family, she finally said in her poem: As long as her mother can survive tonight ...This shows her love for her mother. With love, the world will be beautiful, and life will be like this.
Ding Yunzhen: It is not easy for Jin Geer to grow up in such a family environment. It is so small that she can bear it. She also has social responsibilities. Even thinking of some of our people, why do they have social responsibilities and conscience?
Huang Jiehui: After watching it, I have two feelings: First, I don't think the film has a British taste. Secondly, the director himself is both a director and a screenwriter, which may be his own personal experience. She was born in the 1940s and has also experienced life in the background of that era. The experience of this girl is very different. Only after having such an experience can she grow up.
People must have pursuits; they cannot be insensitive to
Qian Jiaduo: Chinese thinking is not the same as foreign independent thinking. Recalling that the students of the previous era have always been in the forefront of the times; but the current students, including their education, are very different, which directly leads to the current students not paying attention to society, not paying attention to the affairs of the country and the world.
Jin Aiwu: People must have pursuits; they cannot be indifferent.
Chi Yunfei: Jin Gil's father is a literary and artistic writer who likes to write, and he was in jail before; his mother was a painter; Jin Gil himself also likes to write poetry. It should be said that Ginger actually worships his parents.
The US-Soviet nuclear missile crisis in the background of the film is very similar to the nuclear crisis on the Korean Peninsula today.
Van Daming: Ginger's mother took medicine to commit suicide after learning about her husband's cheating, which shows that she actually still loves her husband. Ginger and his father stayed in the hospital and waited for his mother's rescue, which also hinted that the family on the brink of rupture might finally reconcile. As Ginger's father explained to his daughter, the possibility of nuclear destruction in this world is extremely small. This may not be a simple word of relief. This film was shot in 2012. In the story, the protagonist and other people are worried about the end of the world. It fits the legend that 2012 is the "end of the world", which is exactly 50 years away from the 1962 in the story. The US-Soviet nuclear missile crisis described in the background of the film is very similar to the nuclear crisis mainly caused by North Korea on the Korean peninsula today. This may also be a coincidence of history.
Judging the right or wrong of what my father Roland did,
Peng Wanyin: My own feeling is also in contradiction. Everyone is independent, so everyone should be tolerant to others. I feel that I am also contradictory in judging the right or wrong of what my father Roland did. In addition, the judgment of Rosa’s behavior has not been said much just now, what should it be like? But it should be admitted that Ginger's mother still has certain responsibilities in the handling of family relations.
The problem of domestic violence raised in the film comes from a work by a female director. It is very precious.
Fan Daming: Father Roland can’t stand his wife’s kind of things, of course it’s not the usual so-called “domestic violence”; Roland raised it (or reported it through Rosa). In fact, the "emotional and soul injury" caused by the wife’s side should belong to some kind of family tyranny. It is the family’s language violence or mental violence. They exist especially in certain knowledge families. Especially in families where the woman has a higher education; and the woman’s one-sided understanding of the man, or self-righteousness and self-righteousness, the blind sense of pride and self-strength that is stronger than her husband, is the main psychological reason why the woman may constitute mental violence against the man. . It should be said that Roland's departure was mainly not about his wife's love for the new and disgusting the old, but for his resistance to this kind of thing, not to mention that he was originally a liberal. This should be the shining point in the film's thoughts, especially the work of a female director, which is very precious.
Finished on April 29, 2013
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