The host Northwest is gone
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the second round table on the third day of the main competition of the 22nd Faroe Island Film Festival. I’m the host, Northwest has turned into nothing, and the second film we discussed was directed by Polanski. "Knife in the Water", please talk about the reasons for the score based on your own site scoring, and briefly talk about your feelings about this movie!
Souvenir guests wind Pro
I gave this movie 1 point for the simple reason that I was almost completely inaccessible since the boy came. Because I think the relationship between these three people can go on completely outside the scope of my understanding (in short, it is nonsense).
Assistant Moderator Thousand Oaks
I gave 3 points, talking about middle-aged dilemmas and femininity in a single setting. Polanski’s debut film is really good.
Guest Effythefreeelf
I am 2 points. The composition is full of dramatic tension, and the relationship between the three in the narrative can trigger a lot of imagination of balance and imbalance in emotions.
Featured guest IcrusJoe
I gave 3 points. It is amazing for the debut work, the hidden consciousness is hidden in the silence, the psychological changes are displayed very well, but the design of some closed scenes is insensible.
The host Northwest is gone
Okay then we enter the first question. There are only three actors in the film from beginning to end. Almost all of the plot focuses on the progression, conflict and change of the relationship between the three, especially the intense confrontation and game between the two male characters, which is indeed very impressive from a personal perspective. Wonderful. There is an interpretation that, in fact, the conflict between the two also represents the conflict between the old and new generations, the middle voice class and the proletariat on a broader social level. Do you think this interpretation is valid?
Featured guest IcrusJoe
Uh, I didn't feel it too much.
Souvenir guests wind Pro
I think it was established because the script was killed by the regulatory authorities.
Moderator northwest naught
Well, this point is also related to a later question. I also think the biggest advantage of this movie is its ambiguity.
Guest Effythefreeelf
Although I didn't feel it, the dramatic structure of such a trio of three people does have an allegorical meaning that can be extended.
Souvenir guests wind Pro
Having said that, I think this kind of interpretation can indeed enhance the enjoyment of watching movies, and this is originally a prophetic structure.
Moderator northwest naught
Yes, this kind of minimalism, even the stage style itself is also very suitable for creating this kind of fable space.
Souvenir guests wind Pro
As you said, the film has been starting from the power relationship between two men and another woman. Of course, we can see it as a political metaphor, the struggle between a new generation of proletarians and another middle-class who got rich first about the direction of the ship and the ownership of women.
The host Northwest is gone
agree. It happened that Fenglin also mentioned related content, which is about the image of the heroine in the film. It is not difficult to see that a very important point in the confrontation between the two male characters is the struggle for the heroine. The husband treats the heroine with machismo and indifferent, and the young man actually succeeded through deceit and deceit in the end. The heroine in this struggle is more like a passive object of power struggle and desire, but the director still uses her to output the key expression "in fact, you two are the same." So what do you think about the setting of this female image?
Featured Guest Featured Featured IcrusJoe
No harm femme beauty. I feel she is like a mirror.
Moderator northwest naught
This statement is very interesting!
Souvenir guests wind Pro
Just like in the political metaphor, the two men are nothing more than two old and new forces in Poland. But the women who are being contested are the country or the people of Poland. As a creator, Polanski is obviously standing in the latter's place. The woman's reply also expresses his irony of the two powers but another reincarnation. And this woman seems to be the object of contention, but she is the one who always controls each other emotionally. Many times I feel that she treats different men as they can enjoy whatever they can enjoy under the existing circumstances, and in the end, she does not Did she also pierce the actor's strong disguise of his weakness?
Moderator northwest naught
But at the end, she still returned to the kind of indifferent and alienated marriage relationship. From the perspective of political metaphor, this may also contain a certain attitude of the director. It's actually quite pessimistic.
Souvenir guests wind Pro
Hmm, it really is.
Guest Effythefreeelf
It is similar to a character wandering between rationality and sensibility.
Moderator northwest naught
Here I add a detail outside the plot. The heroine is actually a pure amateur actor hired by Polanski temporarily. So the final establishment of this movie is quite accidental.
Featured Guest Featured Featured IcrusJoe
Small cost. It seems that the setting of the scene is quite rough.
Moderator northwest naught
But it still became a classic. Then we move on to the next question. The plot and structure of the film seem simple, but the screenwriter is very smart in designing many symbolic props and actions, giving the film a deep space for thinking and interpretation. For example, written on the name of the film, the young man’s knife that never leaves his body, "it is useless in the water", the game of pumping a wooden stick and finger-stitching, or the captain’s white coat that was finally put on by the young man. , Wait, do you think these symbols are necessary, or are they actually a little redundant?
Souvenir guests wind Pro
Necessary, the original movie structure is very simple, and it is anti-plot-driven, it does not add to the ambiguity and nothing is left after watching it. Moreover, the water and the knife in the title "Knife in the Water" are directly the most important symbols of the film. If we understand the knife as a new kind of revolution and violence under the background of the era in which Poland is transforming, then the guy has gone from using it to overcome obstacles. Being incapable of doing anything on the boat eventually became an explosive factor of instability between the two men (two classes), and the direction was obvious. At the same time, in the game of finger-stitching, Polanski used the depth of field and the triangular composition of the foreground and the background. The battle between the two men in the foreground and the woman in the background playing in the water are all very interpretable.
Featured guest IcrusJoe
For the allegorical style, the symbolic setting is inevitable.
Guest Effythefreeelf
The appearance of the symbol is like a small experiment the director tried in each segment? The only shortcoming may make the text too rich to feel the charm of the image.
Moderator northwest naught
But the image of the movie is not barren. In fact, a large part of that kind of sword is constructed by photography. Next is the last question of today. In fact, it was more or less involved before.
Moderator northwest naught
Add the historical and social background of the film's birth. After the creation of the script of "Sword in the Water" was completed, it actually failed to pass the review of the relevant Polish authorities. The review opinion was that it "failed to truly reflect the spirit of the Polish people and lacked social benefits." It was not until the social climate in Poland changed two years later that the script was revised several times before it was approved for filming. There are indeed many details that can be politically interpreted in the film, such as the young man’s test "whether the ship is moving" twice after getting on the boat, and the open ending of the male owner's car "who is entangled in which road to choose".
Featured guest IcrusJoe
It reminds me of the kind of moral anxiety presented by the Polish school.
The host Northwest is gone
As the debut work directed by Polanski, in fact, this tendency of political expression has become one of the themes of his subsequent inheritance. From this perspective, you can briefly talk about his other works, or talk about movies with similar themes and styles.
Souvenir guests wind Pro
I like Polanski's movies very much, but this one is currently the least favorite.
Moderator northwest naught
why? Is it entirely because it can't be brought in.
Souvenir guests wind Pro
He is very good at this kind of story that opens in a closed space at the beginning of his debut, with some fables and genre elements. I like the "Immoral Trial" very much. The plot design and genre in it are very full, interesting and exciting. The biggest problem with this film is that I really can’t understand it. It may be that his metaphorical tendency is too strong and it ignores rationality; it may also be that I lack an understanding of the social psychology of Poland in the 1960s. For example, why does the male lead show off his capital so much, and hope that the young man will challenge his posture. I think the design is too obvious.
Moderator northwest naught
In fact, I can understand this aspect quite well. In current terms, it's like, daddy? Or the exuberant self-esteem in front of women.
Souvenir guests wind Pro
Haha, maybe yes, my understanding is that such obvious power display and confrontation in reality is a bit unbelievable. For example, in the beginning of my favorite, the actor immediately went down to teach him when he met the guy, then the guy pointed and said, "Your headlight is not off", the actor immediately stopped his hand, and his power was suddenly lost Resolved. I think this point is pretty good so far, but more and more will follow.
Moderator northwest naught
Does anyone want to add?
Souvenir guests wind Pro
If not, let me just say the reason for not giving X. In fact, I think the photography is very good. I was actually looking forward to it very much at the beginning, because the beginning was very charming. A middle-class car drove from under the shade of a tree. The shade of the tree blocked the driver’s face, and then their faces slowly emerged. The two couples began to complain. Then the male protagonist started to drive, the camera came to the back to shoot, the male protagonist obviously occupied the center of the frame and squeezed the female lead aside, and the female lead could only smoke. Then I met the guy and everything went very interesting. Haha, that's it.
Moderator northwest naught
It's just that the gap is relatively large, right?
Souvenir guests wind Pro
Yes.
Moderator northwest naught
But generally speaking, I still like this movie. It can be said that "Knife in the Water" is not only human, but also political.
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