The host, we, Min Hee
Hello, everyone, and welcome to the first round table of the 6th day of the 22nd Faroe Island Film Festival main competition. I am the host, Min-hee, and the first film we discussed is directed by Truffau. "Ancestors and Accounts", before going further, please talk about the reasons for this score based on your own site scoring, and briefly talk about your own thoughts about this movie!
Souvenir guests Joeyside
4 stars. It should be called a "Do As You Like" movie, which may be the most famous three-person story in film history, and it may also contribute to the most famous scene of the New Wave. That kind of hot flame love, hurting love, may only appear in the love utopia of 62 years of images, and the shots in the dialogue have amazing white space and poetry.
Guest aof
I gave 3 stars to the "Zu Yu Zhan" magazine. I really like the characters of the three people, and the fuzzy boundaries between people's relationships have been slowly explored. Those truly subtle and charming moments are intoxicating.
Newspaper guest Muzhi
3 stars. Fast editing + documentary long shots + freeze frame, technically very avant-garde and skilled, supplemented by literary narration and classic soundtrack, completely tearing the plot and character portrayal, but the second half of the story is a bit unbearable and tangled In the repeated love of the three people, the heroine is selfish, greedy, domineering, and irresponsible, which is unacceptable.
The host, we, Min Hee
The film can actually be divided into two parts. The first part is relatively short. It is about some interesting things in life after the two male protagonists meet the female protagonist. The second part is from a very sudden war, and then the emotional entanglement of the three people after the war. What do you think of the comparison between these two parts? Did the war affect the relationship between the three?
Souvenir guests Joeyside
The war is like a catalyst, which seems to make the emotional reaction of the three people more violent.
Assistant Moderator northwest naught
I think that part of the plot of the war is a big highlight. Although the war is used as the background, the relationship between the two male protagonists who belong to the two hostile countries has not been greatly affected by this. I feel that this is a manifestation of freedom. .
Moderator us Min-hee.
Do you feel that life was very leisurely before the war, but it was depressed after the war?
Newspaper guest Muzhi
Before the war, the interaction of the three people was lively and lovely, and everything was very romantic. After the war, the three began an open and repetitive relationship, and the heroine's selfish character began to emerge at this time.
Assistant Moderator northwest naught
But this kind of repression of life is still much smaller than the kind of hostility of war.
Guest aof
I think it does. The war separated the three people. Even though the friendship between Zu and Zhan was not greatly affected, their respective emotional lives have been very different after the war. This allowed Catherine's view of emotion to emerge, which led to the development of the relationship between the three of them living together.
The host, we, Min Hee
As the film progresses, the heroine becomes more and more like a black hole, absorbing the spirit of the two male protagonists. For such a character, you think it is the product of the male director's gaze, and it is misogynistic. Or do you think this is a character with a feminist temperament?
Souvenir guests Joeyside
Obviously this is a character with a feminist temperament. The friendship between the two seems to be strengthened by Catherine. When people observe the friendship between the two men, they discover the entanglement with the third woman, which precisely reflects the importance of women. Non-female beauty, because a man’s perspective complements a woman, but not a woman’s perspective complements a man. There is a difference between the two.
Assistant Moderator northwest naught
I like the expression of the "black hole" of the host. This female image is really brilliant and touches me. She always seems to be at the center of enthusiasm and freedom. She always maintains the dominance in the relationship. I think this is indeed a kind of feminism. temperament.
Guest aof
It seems that it has nothing to do with the male gaze. Catherine's straightforward, free, and true love character can maintain a certain stability in the relationship between the three, but it also led to collapse. And this collapse is not because the heroine "absorbed" their "essence", but because of the differences in the three emotional views.
Newspaper guest Muzhi
I think it is a character with a feminist temperament. The heroine Catherine pursues a kind of extreme and pure love from beginning to end. She can be wholehearted to her ancestors, but when she is dissatisfied with her character, she uses cheating to punish him. . She is an opinionated figure and always dominates the relationship of three people.
The host, we, Min Hee
This also wants me to ask the guests an extra question, what do you think is a true feminist role? Mizoguchi Kenji continues to portray bullied and dedicated female characters. Is this feminism? Paul Van Hoeven portrays a female character that is almost human-like in "She". She is very sharp and offensive. Is this feminism? What is the difference between these male directors and the female directors like Jane Campion who create female characters?
Souvenir guests Joeyside
I don't think feminism is to demean or suppress men.
Newspaper guest Muzhi
As a male, male directors have certain limitations in portraying women's psychological and social conditions.
Moderator us Min-hee
Campion’s movies are full of "imperfect" women. The heroine in "Piano Lesson" is actually a marital cheating, and the heroine in "The True Colors of Ladies" is actually quite cocooned, but her role makes people feel that she is a woman. Symbol of ism.
Souvenir guests Joeyside
Using "She" as an example, the role played by Huppel should be considered a feminist role. When she was violated, she did not complain or run rampant, but used her own way to counterattack the most extreme. Just like in SM, control is never an attribute. It's people.
Assistant Moderator northwest naught
I would think that deified or dwarfed female characters are actually not feminist images.
Moderator us Min-hee
I agree very much. Deification and dwarfing are not advisable. In this way, the image of a woman is only a saint and a prostitute, or a mother and a prostitute.
Guest aof
True feminist movies are about getting rid of male gaze and viewing female characters from a normal perspective. Women will no longer appear as "objects of desire". It will not be punished by men because of its own desires. For example, the identity image in film noir is no longer a femme fatale, nor is it a "second sex" attached to men in the film. It has its own self-awareness, no matter what the final outcome is, it is caused by itself rather than punishment from men.
The host, we, Min Hee
What do you think of the heroine's final "destruction" move? Why do you think she would behave like this? In fact, I felt a little comedy from where the heroine took the gun.
Souvenir guests Joeyside
I feel a little bit snake-tailed. Love is colder than death, so let death endow love with eternal life.
Assistant Moderator northwest naught
In fact, it’s still a continuation of the previous heroine’s character setting. There is a very interesting comparison. In the previous scene, the heroine took the initiative to jump into the water. At the end, the heroine also "destroyed" by falling into the water. I actually feel that it is very shocking. This character is so charming.
Newspaper guest Muzhi
Although Catherine seemed to do whatever she wanted, she was still very anxious and pessimistic. She was afraid of getting old desolately, and would rather let her life end in carnival and enthusiasm.
Guest aof
I think the end happens to be a continuation of his desire to continuously pursue true love and freedom. She felt that she was betrayed, but could not accept this betrayal.
Moderator us Min-hee
There are many portrayals of the plot of two men chasing a woman in film history. What do you think is special or unique in depicting the relationship between the three in this film?
Guest aof
The director really pays attention to "people". Just like the question you just asked, in a film where men are staring, women are likely to become the "objects of desire" for two men in a three-person relationship, thus unfolding a series of In the competition, it seems that whoever wins can get the beauty. In "Ancestor and Occupy", Catherine has her own choice, and she does not shy away from her desires. At the same time, she was not punished. We can feel her pursuit. At the same time, we can also feel the difference between the other two male characters. It has nothing to do with morality, but a real discussion about love.
Souvenir guests Joeyside
It can be compared to the three-person scene in "Your Bird Can Sing", I think there are similarities.
Assistant Moderator northwest naught
"Your Birds Can Sing" came out at the time, and some people talked about "Ancestors and Accounts", but the overall feeling is still the temperament of the Japanese shadow, which is quite different.
Souvenir guests Joeyside
The rare thing in the three-person scene is to achieve a kind of emotional balance, and most of the time, it is not 1 to 1 but 1.5 to 1.5. The key part is that one person is perfectly integrated with the emotions of the other two.
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