/Organized by Fan Daming/
Time: May 11, 2013 (Saturday) 11:06-11:30am
Venue: Henglu Art Museum, No. 202, Nanshan Road, Hangzhou The ground floor lecture hall
(the scene after the viewing of Jacques Audiard's "Rust and Bone" in Henglu Art Cinema)
Participants: (Preface) Fan Daming, Chen Xingsheng, Cai Ling, Ren Tongan, Xu Xia, He Ji, Qian Jiaduo ( Viewers: Yu Han, Pang Zhizhen, Jiang Xizhen, Xu Shuhong, Pang Jian, Gao Yuejian, Wang Wenren, Ji Boqing, Zheng Lingli, Ding Liyun, Cheng Jie, Fu Xinxing, Hu Shanlu, Yu Xiaopin, etc.)
Moderator: Fan Daming
Record: Xu Xia
" A Comparison of Rust and Bone and Love
Van Damien: Compared with Haneke, the director of "Love" we watched last week, the director of "Rust and Bone" Jacques Audiard is 10 years younger (b. 1952), and his influence in the world film industry is relatively small. Some, but since 2009 at the Cannes Film Festival with "The Prophet" won the Palme d'Or for Best Picture, it has been a turnaround. The film also won three awards for Best Director, Best Screenplay and Best Actor at an international film festival in Spain last year, and ranked ninth at the box office of the top ten French domestic films last year. This film is a story about two men and women who were originally not in the same world and finally come together due to the misfortune or ups and downs of their respective fates. The film is based on two novels by a Canadian novelist. The director and the heroine are both French, and the actor is Belgian. As soon as the male protagonist Ali appeared, he was almost exhausted - he took his son to seek refuge with his sister Anna, whom he had not seen for decades, and the destination should be a coastal city in the south of France - this starts from the film that he is on the train Look at the map of France and point to the southern end of the map to guess. The son was hungry on the train, so the father went to collect the leftover food and drinks of the passengers who got off the train to "share" with his son, which was almost a beggar; Ali even became a robber, robbing a small supermarket of electronic accessories. Something small (like a manifold or something). That is to say, if Stephanie, the heroine of the film, had not lost her legs, she would not have been associated with the hero Ali as a star-like killer whale trainer. This is very different from the love condensed by an old couple in Haneke's film "Love", which is condensed by the common cultivation of music majors and high culture, and the final fate mainly composed of aging and disease. The theme of human nature in " Rust
and Bone", and how disabled people face and get out of their difficulties
For example, to meet her various requirements), it is all like this. This shows the eternity of human nature, and human nature is also the eternal theme of art.
Cai Ling: The theme of the film should be like the novel "No Trap in Life" that I have read. It is about how disabled people face and get rid of difficulties, and how to strive to achieve the same life as normal people.
The needs and desires that a normal person has, so do the disabled.
Fan Daming: Human nature includes seven emotions and six desires. The needs and desires that normal people have, so do the disabled. An important feature of the film, or its commercial selling point, is to a large extent the full recognition and affirmation of the heroine's fulfillment of the physical, psychological and emotional needs of normal people after her physical disability. For example, Stephanie, who is in a wheelchair, is inconvenient for her own personal hygiene. She feels that she smells bad. Ali sends her to the beach to swim (her original occupation requires good swimming), so she can get fresh air, bright sunshine and sea water The physical needs of bathing, so that when Ali carried her ashore, she sincerely sighed: Ah, it's really great! Immediately after this, the film also specially arranged a scene to let her in the wheelchair swing or rotate left and right to the rhythm of disco music after returning to the room, and danced the wheelchair disco, fully expressing her feelings at this time. Cheerful mood. When Stephanie installed a prosthetic limb and basically restored her walking function, the film eschews the usual routine of showing how the protagonist encounters difficulties in walking with a prosthetic limb, and touches on a new topic. We see that after the hero and heroine talk about their sexual encounters with others, Ali and her again propose sex. Although she began to think their conversation was off topic, both sides eventually returned to the issue tentatively. After following her request, Ali asked her: How do you feel, do you still have feelings? And said that as long as he is "free", he can continue in the future. And Stephanie not only agrees with Ali to establish such a new (sexual) relationship, but also thinks "it's really good", it's "great". After that, the film arranged for her to face the outdoors alone, and her hands performed the basic movements that she was used to when training killer whales in the past. With the sound of the soundtrack, it was shown that she had completely changed from the original frustrated low-key after being disabled. I got rid of it and entered a new realm and spiritual state with a turning point in my life. And all of this is created after she has acquired the basic needs and desires of sex. Of course, the high-profile and high-level nature of the film is that it does not just stop there. After the film's turning point, it allows the hero and heroine to move from the needs of the relationship of "sex" to the relationship between the two people's emotions, marriage and other ethics. In the pursuit of needs such as caring and even aspirations, the human pursuit of the characters is given spiritual sublimation, which is also the richness and value of the expression of human nature in the film, and is the ideological basis for the success of the film.
The attitude towards life should be serious, and the feelings of both men and women should also be serious
Ren Tongan: The attitude that people should have in life is to be serious. The attitude towards life should be serious, and the feelings of both men and women should also be serious, otherwise the relationship will not be established. Ali's attitude towards life was originally very casual, but after meeting Stephanie, it changed. His sincere feelings for Stephanie also changed her attitude towards life, making her regain her confidence in life after her broken leg.
The meaning of life is also fun, not just for money
. Fan Daming: There is another thought in the film that is worth paying attention to: when Ali was paid 500 euros to participate in the fight organized by the boss, Stephanie thought she could give him this money and asked Him: Why do you insist on going? He said, "It's not for money, it's for pure fighting, for the fun of fighting itself. Like when you played with whales, of course you did it for the money, but the fun is also essential." Stephanie listened to him. , stopped blocking, and thought he had seen the problem through. The film here tells us that the meaning of life is fun, not just for money.
People are dependent, especially when they encounter great setbacks in life.
Chen Xingsheng: Looking at how we write the word "ren" in Chinese characters can also explain the problem: "person" is a stroke and a stroke, and the two strokes support each other. The same is true of our specific people, which are also constituted in this way, which shows that people are dependent. It is in this way that the feelings of the hero and heroine of the film begin to emerge from mutual dependence and help. The film reflects the essence of life at this point.
Fan Daming: People are dependent on people, which means that people are social and a kind of existence. No matter how powerful and independent people are, they cannot avoid this. Stephanie accompanies the hero to several fights he applies to set up a gambling game for his boss, and gives him moral support, and she also helps preside over the fight once. During the three-hour rescue of his son in a coma, Ali finally sensed how precious his relationship with Stephanie was, contacting her on his mobile phone and begging her not to leave him.
Xu Xia: My experience is that when you encounter huge setbacks in life, you should still face it tenaciously and be a strong person in life.
He Ji: Many of the contradictions in the film happened after the heroine Stephanie lost her legs. Stephanie turned out to have a boyfriend Simon, but after her accident, she couldn't see him anymore, indicating that he escaped. When people encounter great setbacks, they are often tests of those around them.
The center of the whole film is the word "love"
Ren Tongan: Regarding "Rust and Bone", the center is still the word "love". At the beginning of the film, there is actually a foreshadowing, the hero's love for his son: searching for food on the train, grabbing toys for his son, etc. He has turned bad (rusted) on the surface, but he is still a good person in his bones, willing to help people (being brave to the heroine), especially after the heroine breaks her leg, so he won the heroine's love, but he himself is not serious until the beloved When the son fell into the ice hole and was rescued in the hospital, he felt that he could no longer be separated from the heroine, and only then did the audience feel that he had truly fallen in love with this woman. So I think the center of the whole film is the word "love".
His relationship with her is based on the recognition of one party's respect and one's trust
: in the relationship established by the hero and heroine of the film, from the perspective of social status and spirituality, the original Stephanie is definitely higher than Ali. From the way she was dressed in the entertainment venue, Ali thought she was the kind of prostitute he often associates with. When he entered his home and saw the pictures on the wall, he realized that she was a beautiful killer whale. Trainer, and therefore respect her. Ali often said something like this to her later: What do you want me to do now? How about this? Don't you want to have sex with me? Wait, it shows that Ali has never had any coercion in any behavior he did to her, even though he was as strong as an ox. For Stephanie, Ali has become a man that she can fully deliver and trust, which is the most important thing for intelligent women. His relationship with her is based on the understanding of one side's respect and one's trust, which obviously becomes the basis for the ultimate maintenance and development of the relationship between the two.
Interpretation of the title of "Rust and Bone"
Cai Ling: Is the title of "Rust and Bone" the original one? Is it translated from Hong Kong and Taiwan?
Fan Daming: The title subtitle of today's video disc is correct to write "Rust and Bone". The title of the title that appears at the end of the film has written "Rust" as "Embroidery". It must be a mistake when typing the subtitles.
He Ji: If it is "embroidery", it may be understood as "flower boxing and embroidering legs".
Fan Daming: The original title of the film is De rouille et d'os in French and Rust and Bones in English. The Chinese translation of "rust and bone" is the literal translation of the exact restoration without any changes; Taiwan gave a Chinese translation called "Rebirth of Lie Love". I understand that "rust" should refer to the attributes of the heroine. The loss of her legs can be said to be like iron being rusted; "bone" of course refers to the attributes of the hero, Ali, who makes "rust". The "bone" on which the heroine is supported; specifically, the "bone" also refers to the characteristics of the hand bones, which are the key parts of the kickboxer - if Ali's hand bones are not hard bones, they can relieve the bullied woman at the beginning of the film. And thus enter the woman's home? Can you win every private fight and earn money to improve your life? Can I use it to break the ice and save my son in the ice water and get a new life? "Bone" here is the "bone" of hard bones. In fact, the title of the film can also be explained in reverse: the man has children but no wife. As a family, it is flawed and rusted; at the end of the film, we see that the woman has entered between him and his son, which must be It will constitute a new and complete family relationship, and the woman will become the "bone" to support a family. In addition, the woman's legs are broken but her heart is not broken, which can be said to reflect the so-called "backbone" of the Chinese. Therefore, the title of the film should also refer to the situation that both men and women have their own "rust and bones". Yesterday, I watched CCTV's "Movie Channel", which was broadcasting the 13th Film Lily Awards Ceremony. Xu Zheng made a special comment on the words "Tai" and "囧" in the best-selling film "Tai 囧", which he directed and starred in. It is in line with the philosophical interpretation of the complementary relationship between yin and yang of "Tai Chi". I think the words "rust" and "bone" also have the same complementary relationship between yin and yang of "taiji".
How did the heroine's broken leg come about?
Cai Ling: How did the heroine's broken leg come about? So realistic. And at the beginning we saw that she was intact.
Fan Daming: We were unfamiliar with this heroine actor, so we wondered whether the director used a special actor, thinking that the actor originally had no legs. Later I learned that the male and female protagonists of the film are all big stars with great achievements. Marion Cotillard (b. 1975), who played Stephanie, played the French national treasure singer Edith Piaf in the biographical film "La Vie de la Rose" in 2007, for which she won the best prize at the 80th Academy Awards in 2008. heroine's honor. Marion Cotillard can't really have no legs, the movie must have been computerized, or part of the shot had a stuntman. Interestingly, Marion's heroine in "Life of the Rose" and the man she later fell in love with was also a boxer.
Has son Sam really been saved?
Cai Ling: Has son Sam really been saved?
Xu Xia: There is a scene in the film that shows Sam moving on the hospital bed, indicating that he is alive. And at the end, we see footage of him stroking the gold belt his father got.
Cai Ling: Can these shots be understood as representing hallucinations?
Fan Daming: I can understand it this way. It should be said that the son was rescued. However, when Ali called Stephanie on the mobile phone, he said, "The son has been dead for three hours". There should be a problem with the translation of the lines. .
The soundtrack and songs constitute a pantomime, transforming the narrative into a lyrical atmosphere or to express
Cai Ling: The film's soundtrack and songs are excellent.
Fan Daming: The place where the soundtrack and the song appear in the film is often the transition between the two paragraphs. When the soundtrack is played, the director usually makes the dialogue of the characters eliminate the voice and become a pantomime, so that the narrative relationship of the film is transformed into lyricism here. Contrast or expression of atmosphere.
The broken bone slowly absorbs calcium and heals. After that, the bone will become stronger
. Cai Ling: At the end of the film, there is a narration (subtitle) about the bone. I feel that it is related to the theme of the film, but unfortunately I can't remember it.
Fan Daming: When I go back, I will watch the film again and record this passage. It should be full of philosophical meanings.
[Editor's appendix] A narration about bones at the end of the film (subtitles):
"A normal person has 27 bones in their hands, some monkeys may have a few more bones in their hands, and orangutans have 32 bones, each with 27 bones. There are 5 bones in the thumb. If you break your arm or foot, the bone will slowly absorb calcium and heal, and then the bone will become stronger; if you break the bone in your hand, then A bone can never heal. You have a scruple before every fight, and you don't ignore it when you punch. You'll be careful about that, but at some point... the pain follows. It poured out like a needle stuck, like a broken wine glass."
Compiled 11-12 May 2013, added 13 May 2013
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